New head dampeners

[H to the C]

I'LL do

[H to the C]

Guys lets try to keep this topic informative and helpful.

hc

[H to the C]

Oh , I do recall Boto's blasting the ole airhorn quite a few times at events. The airhorn is tradition.. :badair: :mrgreen:

[freezin eskimo]

My Apologies To All Who Were Involved!!!!

Karl

PS Im Not Sucking Or Swinging On Anybodies Coconuts, I Just Fly MA Helis!!!

[Jerry]

This Is My Last Post On Any Forum besides The Video And Classified Forums!!!!


Well, its not a complete loss.....

:shock:

[misskimo]

:wink:

[Rodney]

Some comments should be left unsaid.

[Bert Kammerer]

Wow!! I went to work and upon my return there are two new pages! :shock:

This will more than likely be my last post concerning this issue. As Henry said, we certainly need to let Tim and Bobby deal with this issue in order to determine if in fact the dampeners were responsible for this. Nonetheless, I have a few final observations to make in order to shed some more light on this issue. As I stated earlier, I am trying to be as objective and impartial as possible. I love MA machines as I have owned 3 in less than 6 months. I simply want MA to inspect the head and provide an accurate assessment concerning the dampeners.

Matt, you stated that a simple check of the head for binding before flight may have prevented this from happening. This is somewhat true. However, even though I know Bobby checks his machines regularly, I doubt one can spot every single possible problem on every check. As an example, I check my Stratus thoroughly prior to every flying session and last week one of the nuts that holds a tail blade grip came off in flight, the only way to tell that the nut was a little loose was to pull the blade grips and stick a wrench to check them for tightness. Do all of us do that kind of checks? Of course not! My point is that sometimes checks do not reveal problems right-away. In this particular case, I didn't check the heli myself because Bobby had flown it for a couple of minutes, landed it and handed me the radio while the heli was out there with the engine still running.

Now, on to an important observation, when I lifted up the heli and switched it to idle up, I started doing some basic maneuvers and then started to do around the clock tic-tocs. I immediately felt the cyclic response very mushy around the center. I asked Bobby right-away if he had negative expo dialed in and he replied "yes". Even though the helicopter had good response at full cyclic deflection, the immediate off center feel was sloppy at best. In my limited experience I can say that this is 100% consistent with a head that dampens excessively. However, it can also be consistent with lots of negative expo, so the sloppy head theory didn't cross my mind at the time.

Again, I simply want MA to run a test on those dampeners once they get them from Bobby and give us a good assessment. I am going to continue to fly MA helis as I love them and think they rock. I just think that we all deserve to have good product support and truthfulness about defective parts.

Thanks to all the people that have made constructive contributions to the thread.

[H to the C]

Matt, Eric, Russ, and Ben are really trying to help. I think they are Not trying to give or make up reasons that might would have caused this to happen. They are just trying to weigh the diffs. to come up with a answer.
It's just when these third parties come on this forum and start adding thier comments the post goes south.....

I feel MA will for sure investigate this with a honest , reliable, conclusion. It sucks that we even have to crash these things. But if you think about it these helis take a darn beating .

[tnreefguy]

Clint said you beat it alot. :wink:

[Rodney]

He said it was for samples to find out about children, but I think he just likes doing it.

[H to the C]

HAHAHAHAHA you guys are crazy.. I guess I opened the door for that one.

[BigVanVader]

LMAO!!! :lolol

[X]

Any info from MA?

X

[Nick Defelici]

I thought that my dampeners were wearing out. But upon further inspection, it was my blade grip bearings. I got about 50 flights on both of my machines with the new dampeners. Still no wear that i can see. I haven't boom strikes it yet, but I tried :mrgreen:

[X-Cellbentframe]

Long time lurker, my first post tonight.

I heard today Bert boomstruck and destroyed his own Stratus last week. I guess that makes 2 in 3 weeks Bert. Just like many suspected before it was the pilot not the dampeners. If it was me, I would replace Bobbys helicopter Bert, it would be the right thing. The new dampeners are fine. :roll:

[Bert Kammerer]

Hmmmm. Let's see Mr. X-Cellbentframe. You seem to have joined Heli Freak tonight and you claim to be from "Central Florida". I wonder who you are, I seem to know almost every pilot in this area. I wonder why you wouldn't post your name. :wink:

If Bobby's heli crash would have been my own fault or if he would have asked for money, I would have complied. People who know me know very well that I wouldn't mind paying at all, people who know me also know my flying skills as well, you obviously aren't one of them. Also, the "destroyed his own Stratus" part is very wrong pal. I didn't "destroy" my Stratus, I simply boom struck it because I had not replaced my dampeners in a long time, which by the way were the standard O-ring (90 durometer ones) and not the new one piece dampeners.

Nonetheless:

1. My Stratus didn't shake violently prior to the strike like Bobby's.
2. My Stratus wasn't "destroyed". I managed to auto it down without the boom.

You need to get better sources of information. You obviously weren't there and the only person who could have told you what happened misinformed you :)

If Bobby thinks I need to pay him for his crash, he simply needs to call me and tell me. I would do it without issue. However, Bobby is a good pilot, fair person and he was standing next to me when this happened. Therefore he knows it wasn't pilot error as it was obvious to everyone there that something in the helicopter itself failed.

May I suggest the next time you have the courage to make another erroneous comment, also have the courage to post your name to go along with it. :D

[Bert Kammerer]

Leave Bobby out of this Bert and don't try to put this off on him.


Will, I don't quite understand this. What does my post have to do with Bobby? Why do you say that I am trying to put this off on him? Someone comes to this thread and makes a personal negative comment against me and I jump in to defend myself and you now say that I am trying to put this off on Bobby? That's not so. I have known Bobby for quite some time and I like him as a person, I don't see a reason for putting this off on him as you say. There are other people in central Florida who could have done this, not Bobby!


Read your own posts. Just like the info that got back to me last week about you saying somebody had posted about your latest boomstrike of your Stratus on HF. No post was found, there were no deletions in the logs.... I take it personal when people poor mouth my business like that and I have no idea why you said that. There is a post now and you are trying to blame Bobby for it and act like it is a fictitious person who posted. The logs don't back that up.


Don't know where you got all this from. I never said anything about a post about my latest boomstrike. Someone else said that. In fact, I was totally unaware of anything until someone from miniature asked me what happened.


Us humans make mistakes sometimes. I have seen you fly and you fly very well for flying less than one year, but I also think it is a very logical train of thinking that you may have made a mistake with the sticks due to inexperience in at least one of the boom strikes and the dampeners or links or grips or whatever you are blaming for both crashes had nothing to do with it. It takes more than a year no matter how hard you can bang the sticks after 8 months to develop the instinct to fly HARD 3D AND preserve your heli and make it last.


I fully agree and I have never tried to excused myself when I've made mistakes in the past. Anybody who knows me and flies with me knows that when I've made a mistake, I have simply said "woops, my bad" after a crash.


The New Dampeners are fine, there are PLENTY of people flying them with very good results.


I also agree here. I have been flying them since my boom strike and they are still in good shape after 20 or 30 flights.

Bottom line, it seems to me that this thread went from blaming the dampeners to blaming me. That's fine, I can live with that and I can make things right for Bobby. However, only me and the people there that day know that the heli destroyed itself up in the air by itself. Again, I don't mind making things right for Bobby, I will call him and offer him so, but it is sad to know that the whole point here was to think it was the dampeners and nothing else.


Will, I also would like to talk about this further with you over the phone as I simply do not like the way this whole thing was addressed and handled. I have some things to discuss with you that wouldn't like to be included in a public post

Bert
407-733-1763

[BobbySmith]

Bert your story changes like i change under wear :shock:

My Stratus never fluttered!! it exploded i know what a flutter is and o yea were is the mysterious link you found? iam still waiting to see that.

Will good luck calling him as he has never returned my calls he did promise me a new pipe
But whatever

Bobby

[Bert Kammerer]

Why did my story change? I never said anything about a link. Craig did. Maybe he can jump in and explain. I have not received a call from you Bobby. I am available at any time to talk. I have received calls from many people, but you. Also, I offered you the pipe and I still have it here waiting. I simply haven't given it to you because I haven't seen you.

Finally, I don't know if a shake means a flutter. I did have time to hit throttle hold prior to the boom strike, which means something happened that lasted at least a second or so prior to the actual hit.

Bert

[Ernie]

Let me jump in here. FIrst off. In my humble opinion this post is getting to be melo drama. Hell, it is worse than the beating of Reginal Denny, or Rodney king put together. You are all making this a political debate, with no good reason. So chill out. Are'nt we all suppose to be friends? Or is this a typical "Lets create Drama, lets Discredit manufactures, and lets make up stories so the on lookers have something to talk about at the next event: Forum?????

I have been involved in competitive sports my whole life. And i will say that this is this thread is typical. It is sad, but blatently typical. Because in competition, there can only be one winner, and in this matter which is "Non competitive", you all seem to think that there has to be a winner and a looser. And i for one think that is pure B.S.

I will make it real simple. Fact # 1. The F#@$%^& Helicopter shook voilently before it struck the boom. Fact # 2. Bobby Smity asked Bert to fly his helicopter, Bert did not ask to fly Bobby's heli. Fact # 3. Here in FL, if you ask someone else to fly your heli, and it fails in any way, you are not responsible for that heli in any way. Fact # 4. Bert immediatly offered to help fix Bobby's heli, Purely out of the goodness of his heart. Not because he believed he has done anything wrong

Let me Re quote this for you all. The Helicopter shook prior to the boom strike. Deliberatly trying to pinch a blame on the largest manufacture's of the best, most respected, and widely used model heli's, is not the right thing to do. Also, trying to discredit, point a finger, or question a pilot's abilities, or experiences, when your experience ratings arent 1/50th of his, is also not the right thing to do. I read somewhere that Curtis fly's about 1000 flights a year. I think Bert does that in about 6 months. Am i saying Bert is Curtis? Absolutly not, But i am saying that this guy does as much flying in 6 months than most of you do in say Hmmmmm 4 years?

Simplified ? Bobbys heli fluttered and boom struck. Berts heli simply struck the boom, when he intentionally was trying to bog the new OMI big bore O.S. while doing very demanding intentionally bogging Rainbo's. And we all know that Bogging, and slowing of the blades causes heli's to boom strike.

The snake that Bert was performing was simply as smooth as i have seen any pro perform. He was flying Bobbys heli with respect, putting it through some very smooth slow moves. I never heard the Engine Booooog down, which was very impressive. So if the engine never bogged, and the snake was smooth as silk, with about 45 degrees of attack, not 90 like some pro's attack, How the Hell would the heli boom strike?

[X-Cellbentframe]

How long have you been flying helis Craig? How long have you been watching Pros? Who is your best friend and who do you fly with? It is very clear what really happened to both the helis bert was flying and ma has nothing to do with it. Lastly where is the link you found Craig? I think you both can't tell the truth the story never ceases changing does it.