View Full Version : I hate my CP Pro
Scotty T
07-30-2008, 03:26 PM
I can't stand this thing, no matter how much I tweak it sure doesn't seem stable.
I talked to the guys over at the bladecprepair.com and the moderator Vector was very rude, didn't seem to know much, just seemd to be a know it all. He tells eveyone how to repair a B400 and doesn't even own one. So that didn't help.
Any ideas if you can get this thing to hold the tail, not make sudden moves by itself, and just generally fly stable?
sokal
07-30-2008, 04:38 PM
I can't stand this thing, no matter how much I tweak it sure doesn't seem stable.
I talked to the guys over at the bladecprepair.com and the moderator Vector was very rude, didn't seem to know much, just seemd to be a know it all. He tells eveyone how to repair a B400 and doesn't even own one. So that didn't help.
Any ideas if you can get this thing to hold the tail, not make sudden moves by itself, and just generally fly stable?
the head setup is quite simular to your b400
if you dont have a gyro on it then you have to hold the tail manualy with rudder input
i owe this lil squirrly thing every this she taught me how to hold a stable hover
and yes its harder to fly then the 400
vid of me flying the cpp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odBczqHm4_0
Second that. I fly the Blade CP Pro every chance I get. Had a Telebee HH gyro for a while, then one rebuild I didn't put it back and haven't missed it.
Balance the blades' CG's as well as within 1/10 gram of each others. Make the fly bar paddles level with their control frame and each other. Take a battery to tweak the proportional and gain on the stock gyro. It will keep the tail pretty well.
Oh, the tail ... the single stock tail motor doesn't cut it for me. I use two tail motors in a MicroHeli mount. The motors are for the Esky CP2 (cheaper!). Some guys like the GWS direct drive motor and prop. Nowadaze they are also mounting tiny brushless tail motors and 2 amp ESC's.
I have the above illustrated at www.ABCheli.com. Further contributions are welcome.... ;)
Scotty T
08-01-2008, 09:22 AM
So basically I should upgrade this thing so it's no longer a CP and it will fly well?
Upgrade the servos, ESC, Brushless, Gryo.
Wow! that's simply too much for a $200 plastic heli, don't you think?
ENDO1
08-01-2008, 09:57 AM
Mine flys great. Just check the setup as suggested, it's so light that it can be tricky
Once you get what's happening the Blade flies great. It is actually quite stable, although unlike a co-axial helicopter it does not fly itself. I had a Telebee HH gyro on mine but took it off and don't miss it. Servos are stock on mine. Motor is brushless and it really goes.
I have a dual-motor tail. E-flite really dropped the ball there and I understand the new Blade CP Pro 2 has a bigger 'N60' motor that is twice as strong. No Superskidz for me. CF ones are lighter and I (finally) learned to land it under control.
sokal
08-04-2008, 04:32 PM
well only thing iv changed was a hh gyro from my b400 and the servos
aoutorotation gear and plastic blades
and stable
so upgrades not needed
flew just as well as i could at the time stock
obi1cannoli
08-04-2008, 10:48 PM
i also have the n60 dd tail and a g90 gyro but i thing the 2 best upgrades one could do is a better tx and the alum swash plate it takes some of the play out
Dumb Thumbs
08-08-2008, 10:13 PM
So basically I should upgrade this thing so it's no longer a CP and it will fly well?
Upgrade the servos, ESC, Brushless, Gryo.
Yep, exactly what I did plus a AR6100 Rx, but it finely flies like a heli should (except for times when the wind blowes over 5 MPH). For the $$$ I put into this CPP, I could have gotten a Rex 450 SA.
But ya know what, I still like the little bugger. I'll try new stunts on it before trying it on my Rex 450 SEv2, Last crash I had with the 450 the parts total was over 80 $.
Yep, exactly what I did plus a AR6100 Rx, but it finely flies like a heli should (except for times when the wind blowes over 5 MPH). For the $$$ I put into this CPP, I could have gotten a Rex 450 SA.
If you get the tail working in a little while you won't think anything of 10+ mph breezes when you fly your Blade.
But ya know what, I still like the little bugger. I'll try new stunts on it before trying it on my Rex 450 SEv2, Last crash I had with the 450 the parts total was over 80 $.
Yep. Me too. If I can make the Blade do it I can get the Trex to do it. As for repairs, Tuesday I attempted flying the BCPP at the Marina in 25+ mph wind and managed to dump it. Total repairs: one spindle shaft, one main shaft, one CF landing gear skid repaired with CA and heat shrink tubing. Cost: 7.00.
Dumb Thumbs
08-10-2008, 01:22 PM
I've made so many upgrades, it's hard to tell it's a CPP anymore!
Ben Hedrick
08-10-2008, 06:20 PM
Any ideas if you can get this thing to hold the tail, not make sudden moves by itself, and just generally fly stable?
Yes! Hang it on the wall and buy a Trex 450 or 600... I gave up on my after crashing and rebuilding it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many times! It almost made me get out of helicopters, then I bought a Trex 450 and I found out that helicopters do fly...
Again, make it wall art...
Kindling Maker
08-11-2008, 09:40 AM
I have a CPPro at the home in Texas. I definately learned how to work on helis, I crashed it more than I flew it. I got a B-400 and it flys great. Hang it on the wall and get a CX2 and a B-400
Dumb Thumbs
08-11-2008, 09:13 PM
Been many times I was ready to bag my CP Pro & give up on it, but now that I have it dialed in just right (or as good as it's gonna get) I'm happy with mine.
Learning to build/fly helies dosn't happen overnight, have patience, learn from the inevitable crashes of what works, what doesn't & how to make it right so it flys like you want it to. It's a lot cheaper to do this on a smaller bird then on a bigger one!
One last thing...
If you can learn to debug & fly a Blade CP, you'll be ready to build & fly just about anything else out there.
TowPilot
08-11-2008, 11:03 PM
I think I would enjoy working on one now, with the initial experience that I've accrued.
But if it was my first heli, I'd have had fits, it sounds like it needs as much tweaking as it does parts swapping to get it just right to fly.
There is a really super bit of flying being done by a very young man at a gym using a CP and it's wonderful to watch. So of course, they can be made to fly and from the video, fly very well in the right pilot's hands.
Actually the Blade CP/Pro flies fine out of the box. A stronger tail motor is the one thing that really should be added. The stock brushed main motor is adequate. The Tx/Rx/servos work okay. The rate gyro on the mixing board can be dialed in. The reason it gives anyone fits who flies it as a first heli is that it's single rotor and CP.
AirBorn
08-12-2008, 11:51 AM
I've made so many upgrades, it's hard to tell it's a CPP anymore!
How much do you have into your CP?
Scotty T
08-12-2008, 02:51 PM
I've made so many upgrades, it's hard to tell it's a CPP anymore!
Exactly!
Why do you think they don't make the CP+ anymore and they are pulling the CP pro from the shelf after the CP Pro 2 is finally released.
We all got ripped off and need to cut our losses.
AirBorn
08-12-2008, 02:58 PM
Exactly!
Why do you think they don't make the CP+ anymore and they are pulling the CP pro from the shelf after the CP Pro 2 is finally released.
We all got ripped off and need to cut our losses.
Sounds like you got ripped off from a HobbyTown....I feel for you buddy....I'm glad I don't own a CP....
Dumb Thumbs
08-12-2008, 08:02 PM
How much do you have into your CP?
Added all up, 250$ to buy the stock CP Pro bird & Tx, got another 250 or 300$ into it now, but it it's flying almost as well as my Rex 450 SE v2.
It's like the old saying goes, Buy cheap... Buy twice!
AirBorn
08-13-2008, 11:44 AM
WOW....thats a lot of money involved in that CP... thats why I got rid of my CP after a few crashes, I didnt want a money pit....
jayrok1018
08-13-2008, 12:14 PM
Hey Scotty,
This little bird is almost identical in every way to the HB CP2 (both are little b!tches to fly), Not to take anything away from HF, but check out the RCGroups board and SSG Scott's posts. He's a US Army heli pilot, and works on full scale as well as these little ones, and he's got some really really good FREE tweaks, adjustments, and howto's over there.
RCG-CP2/CP (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=494197)
On that note, I've got 4 of 'em now and 2 are all alum, though the microheli head sux and binds up, had to hybridize it with plastic/metal to take out the slop. Might be looking to off it sometime for a Hurricane 200 hrmm... will post some pics shortly...
~!JR!~
Anubis328
08-21-2008, 09:10 AM
I upgraded the crap out of my Blade CP, and now it's coated in dust. They're great starter helis, but you will outgrow them and their limitations. Be careful about throwing too much $$$ at them.
tyrick69
08-27-2008, 06:09 AM
The biggest problem with the stability of this heli is the stock radio and receiver. Throw an ar6100 in it and it will fly like a new bird. So much more stable. You will still have to fly the tail unless you upgrade to dual tail motors or direct drive but I think it only helps you be a better pilot. Too many people are spoiled by their HH gyros and have no idea what to do when the tail freaks out on them due to a gyro or belt failure. Flying the CP taught me how do deal with these situations and when my Trex 450 threw a belt, I was able to land it safely instead of overcorrecting and crashing.
tyrick69
08-27-2008, 06:16 AM
I upgraded the crap out of my Blade CP, and now it's coated in dust. They're great starter helis, but you will outgrow them and their limitations. Be careful about throwing too much $$$ at them.
I too upgraded the crap out of my Blade CP and even though I have a Blade 400 and a Trex 450SA now, I still fly the CP all the time. It's the easiest heli to fly at my house due to limited room and I can really zip the thing around in a relatively small space. The heli will teach you to be vigilant, as well as teaching you how to fly the tail. The stability of the B400 and Trex 450 can cause complacency but with the CP, you can't take your eyes off of it or lapse in concentration for a second. I also find that's it's great to do a warm up flight or two on the CP before heading to the field to fly the 400 because it's the least important heli in my fleet, I'm not really worried about crashing it so it helps me loosen up.