Set-up of the GV-1 and 611 with the 12Z questions?

[spookyeng]

Hello guys, I am in the process of setting up my TREX 700N and want to get some set-up advice for the GV-1 and GY611. I am a recent convert from JR to the 12Z. I like the radio alot but I am not confident with setting it yet. I am need a little tutorial on setting the GV-1 and 611 gyro.

With the GV-1, I want to make sure what channel is the stanard remote gain so I can change speed from the transmitter and how to set-it up properly in the radio and control unit. I would like to run three different head speeds for Norm, IDLE 1, and IDLE 2. This is the first time using the GV-1 and 12Z. I used a 9303 with MA throttle jocky pro in the past.

I have used the 611 before and am confident on the set-up in the control head but want to get advice with setting in the 12Z.

I would appreciate any help. I have been reading all thee manuaks for the GV-1, 611, & 12Z, but want to get your guys input and set-up tips. Thanks for taking the time to read the post and any inputs that may be given. Take it easy.

Jason

[Intrepid175]

Hello guys, I am in the process of setting up my TREX 700N and want to get some set-up advice for the GV-1 and GY611. I am a recent convert from JR to the 12Z. I like the radio alot but I am not confident with setting it yet. I am need a little tutorial on setting the GV-1 and 611 gyro.

With the GV-1, I want to make sure what channel is the stanard remote gain so I can change speed from the transmitter and how to set-it up properly in the radio and control unit. I would like to run three different head speeds for Norm, IDLE 1, and IDLE 2. This is the first time using the GV-1 and 12Z. I used a 9303 with MA throttle jocky pro in the past.

I have used the 611 before and am confident on the set-up in the control head but want to get advice with setting in the 12Z.

I would appreciate any help. I have been reading all thee manuaks for the GV-1, 611, & 12Z, but want to get your guys input and set-up tips. Thanks for taking the time to read the post and any inputs that may be given. Take it easy.

Jason
Hi Jason,

Sorry for taking so long to respond. I noticed your post the other day but didn't want to respond until I had my radio in my hands. So....here's how I've got mine setup. I hope this helps.

First, on my 12Z Ch 7 is the one that is controlling the GV1. To start your setup, go to the "Governor" selection in the Model menu. In the upper left corner of the screen, you'll see "RATE" and the numbers, 1 2 3. Those numbers represent the three programmable speeds that you setup in the GV1 itself.

You mention that you want a rotor speed set for Normal, Idle 1, and Idle 2. I am interpretting that as a single rotor speed for each flight condition. That being the case, I'll just tell you how I set mine up as I'm doing pretty much the same thing. I think that once you see how this works, modifying it to what you really want shouldn't be a big deal.

I have my GV1 turned off for Normal and turned on for Idle 1 & 2. Idle 1 is set to a hover rpm and Idle 2 is set to a higher speed for aerobatics. Anyway, on the GV1 itself, I set the first rotor speed to "Off", the second to 1500 rpm and the third to 1800 rpm.

In the 12Z, looking at the Governor screen, I activate rate 1. The "Act" box will say "ON." Then go to the "RATE" box using the curser button and dial it down until it says "OFF." This should match speed one that you programmed in the GV1 itself. The boxes under the "Act" box on the left side of the screen should say the following. "UNIT" = rpm, "SWITCH" = whatever switch you want to use to control your flight modes, what Futaba calls, flight conditions. In my case, I use switch "SE." "GROUP" = "SNGL"
You will have been using the curser button on the radio to move through these selections. Once you're at the bottom of the screen, going down one more time will toggle you onto the Rate 2 screen which should show as being "INH" or inhibited. At this point, you need to put the radio in Idle 1 mode. Then activate the Rate 2 screen and set all the parameters (Act, Unit, Switch, Group) as before. The "RATE" box (top center) should reflect the rotor speed you programmed directly in the GV1. In my example, that would be 1500 rpm. Again, once you're done, going down one more time will put you on the Rate 3 screen. Flip the transmitter to Idle 2 and set everything up as before only make sure your "RATE" parameter matches whatever you've got speed #3 in the GV1 set to. In my example, that's 1800 rpms. If you got it right, you should be able to flip the flight mode switch between Normal, Idle 1, and Idle 2 and see the settings change with the switch. On throttle hold, just set it to Rate 1 like Normal mode is and the governor will drop off so the engine can go to idle for practicing autos.

One other thing you can do. At the bottom of each screen, Rates 1, 2, and 3, you'll see the words "Fine Tuning," "Ctrl," and "RATE." On my radio, I've got the "Ctrl" set to the left dial "LD" in Idle 1. The "RATE function is set to "200" which is as high as it will go. The +/- selection between the Ctrl and Rate functions is set to "-". I do the exact same thing for Rate 3 on Idle 2 only I use the right dial "RD" for the Ctrl function. This allows me to fine tune the governed rpms up or down using the left dial at hover and the right dial for aerobatic mode with just the turn of the dial. The fine tuned rpms will display in a set of parenthesis to the right of the main "Rate" number that you programmed at the top center of the screen. It's pretty cool and according to my friends rotor tach, the system usually runs within +/-10 rpm of what the transmitter says it's doing. That's close enough for me.

Once you have all of this done, turn on the helicopters systems and watch the GV1's program screen. It should be showing you the rpm it's set to use. Flip the transmitter through the flight modes and the GV1 should display the programmed rpm for each flight mode. If, by chance, the GV1 is responding in the reverse of what you're intending, then reverse Ch 7 in the transmitter and that should fix it. If you did the fine tuning part too, rotating the appropreate dial on the transmitter should see the numbers on the GV1 walk up or down with the numbers on the 12Z's display. They may not be absolutely exact but they should be pretty close.

As for the 611 gyro, the gyro screen on the 12Z is setup pretty much like the Governor screen is. You turn it on at the "ACT" box. "Type" = Gy, "Switch" = any switch you want to put the gyro in rate or heading hold (ACVS) mode. I leave the "Group" selection at GRP because I pretty much use the same gyro sensitivies in all flight modes. If you need to turn it down for a given flight mode (EX. Idle 2), then you'll need to set "Group" to "Sngl" for that flight mode so any changes you make there won't effect the other flight modes. The rest of it is pretty intuative.

This is a bit long winded. I hope is makes sense. If you need any clarification, let me know. Also, maybe someone else will chime in if they have anything to add or correct me on.

Good luck & Fly Safe,
Steve R.

[SlowWhite]

This is the same issues I'm having. I'm running the 14ch 2.4ghz reciever with the 12z

And want to make sure I have everything set up properly as far as gv1 and 611 before I try to fire it up. And channel placement is something I was wondering about. (ie: which plugs from the GV-1, and 611 go into which slots on the reciever) - cause they are way different then my 9CHP.

I thought I'd start with my GAUI 200 first before my FURY. But I can't figure out how to activate the ESC. any ideas on that one also? I'm running the 7ch 2.4 with that.


Thanks for the write up, very much appreciated.

[Intrepid175]

This is the same issues I'm having. I'm running the 14ch 2.4ghz reciever with the 12z

And want to make sure I have everything set up properly as far as gv1 and 611 before I try to fire it up. And channel placement is something I was wondering about. (ie: which plugs from the GV-1, and 611 go into which slots on the reciever) - cause they are way different then my 9CHP.

I thought I'd start with my GAUI 200 first before my FURY. But I can't figure out how to activate the ESC. any ideas on that one also? I'm running the 7ch 2.4 with that.


Thanks for the write up, very much appreciated.
Hi Brian,

One thing I forgot to mention in my resonse to Jason is, if you go into the "Linkage" menu and select "Function," the radio will give you a list of what function is assigned to what channel on the receiver. The 2.4 gHz radios have a different assignment order because of the way the system sends out its information to the receiver. You can reprogram the channel assignments if you want but I think it's better to use the default order that Futaba sets. It's taken me a while to get used to it too. After over 25 years of a channel order that's aileraon, elevator, throttle, rudder, gyro, collective, I've been bit a couple of times when things weren't working right, only to find out that I didn't have the servos plugged into the correct spots on the receiver.

On electrics, I don't have a lot of experience with them but there's one thing I've found consistant with programming ESC's on Futaba radios. You'll need to reverse the throttle channel in the transmitter before setting up your ESC, otherwise, the ESC won't go into it's program mode. Also, just in case you're not aware of this detail, you can operate the 6 and 7 ch Futaba FASST receivers with a 2.4 enabled 12Z or 14 MZ but the transmitter has to be set to the proper transmission mode to do it. The 8 and 14 ch FASST receivers operate in what Futaba calls, "Multi Mode." The 6 and 7 ch receivers don't. On the 12Z, go into the "Linkage" menu and select "Frequency." When you rotate the data dial, the display will either show "FASST MULTI" or "FASST 7CH." The transmitter has to be in "FASST 7CH" in order for it to communicate with a 6 or 7 ch receiver. The only significant difference I've seen between the multi and 7ch modes is that the Multi mode allows for fail safe an all flight channels. The 7ch model only fail safes the throttle.

Hope this helps!

Good luck & Fly Safe,
Steve R.

[SlowWhite]

Ya it took me about 4 attempts to link the 7ch reciever to realize/remember that I'd seen that the Muli or 7ch reciever feature of the 12Z. Once I switched it linked right up.

Thanks again for all the help - just have to get home and see about putting all the info to use.

[SlowWhite]

Well got the ESC to activate - just took me to reverse the throttle.

However how do you get Idle up 1 and 2 to work? I can't see anything in the "throttle Curve" settings that allow me to set up anything else but Normal mode?

[Intrepid175]

Well got the ESC to activate - just took me to reverse the throttle.

However how do you get Idle up 1 and 2 to work? I can't see anything in the "throttle Curve" settings that allow me to set up anything else but Normal mode?

Hi Brian,

I don't have my radio in front of me right now. I want to say it's in the "Linkage" menu on the right side of the screen. I can't remember off the top of my head what the selection is called. I want to say it's something obvious like "Condition select" or some such but don't hold me to that. When you find it, it will be obvious as it will show you Idle 1, Idle 2, Idle 3, and Throttle Hold. It will give you a place to activate each flight condition and assign a switch to it. Once that's done, you can program the different pitch and throttle curves in each flight mode by flipping the switch to activate Idle 1, Idle 2, etc. If you want one flight condition to be unique, you'll need to take it out of group mode and make it single (sngl?). Otherwise, if it's still in "Group," any change you make will automatically be applied to the other flight conditions in the group. It's a little confusing at first but you'll get the hang of it. After 12 to 13 years with a 9Z, I really like the "Groups." With the 9Z you had to program all flight conditions independant of each other, even if half the parameters were the same anyway. When I get home tonight, I'll look this up again and confirm where it's at unless I see something from you that says you got it.

While we're on the subject, make sure you locate and understand the "Condition Hold" feature. You'll find it at the bottom of the "Model" menu as well as the lower left corner of the main screen. You'll need to activate this if you want to make any changes to a flight condition other than Normal or Throttle Hold while the model is running. Basically, it just keeps the thottle servo from doing unfortunate things while you make changes to the program with the bird running.

Good luck & Fly Safe,
Steve R.

[Intrepid175]

Hey Brian,

I was wrong. You can activate the flight conditions you want (Idle 1, Idle 2, etc) off the "Model" menu. Select "Condit Select." If you're working on a brand new program, you'll have to "Add" the flight conditions you want. Select "Add" and the list will come up. Select the flight condition you want, example: Idle 1, and it will be added to the list on the left under "Normal." Then assign a switch to the function and you'll be on your way. Repeat for any other flight conditions you want.

Also, that "Condition Hold" function I mentioned can be found at the bottom of the Linkage and Model menus, as well as the lower left corner of the home screen.

Good luck & Fly Safe,
Steve R.

[spookyeng]

Thanks guys for the replies and great information. Sorry for the late thanks but I forgot to turn on e-mail notification. I have got it setup and everything is working great. Take care and once again thanks for the help!

[NolanManley]

Hey Jason, Just noticed your just south of Milton FL. I use to go down there for a funfly years ago.
I received the engine just fine. Great dealing with you.

[spookyeng]

Yes, I am just south on route 281 toll bridge in the Tiger Point area. I am a glad the motor arrived in good shape. It would be great to meet up at a fun fly in the near future. Thanks.