hawk sport ?

[Hawk_Sport]

ok so i have checked my book and everything on my Century Hawk Sport , nowhere can i find exactly what the swashplate is. either 1 servo runs the whole swashplate or if its 120 degrees 3 servos? i have been told its mechanical setup. . my walkera is 3 servos wich run the swashplate up and down simutaniously. so the swash moves equal . and so does the 3 servos. so now i must find out why my hawk sport does not follow suit.?

[JustPlaneChris]

Your Hawk Sport has MPM (mechanical pitch mixing), sometimes called mCCPM. This means one servo moves the swash up and down, one servo moves it side to side (aileron) and the third moves it fore-aft (elevator). Swash mix in the radio should be "one servo".

When all 3 servos work together (like your Walkera), it's called CCPM (or eCCPM).

[Hawk_Sport]

thank you for that. ya i have it figured out now:) just have to finallize all 90 degrees and i'll be all set to go once i make the training gear.....:thumbup:

[JustPlaneChris]

Good luck with it! I sure enjoy my Hawk Pro. :)

[Hawk_Sport]

thanks Chris i have done the one servo setup and dang it it is working the way it should now:) now i have to find a pitch guage and set the pitch and make sure all is set at 90 degrees .
cheers
:thumbup:

[skunkworx]

I had the same problem not long ago. Make sure you give the posting on RunRyder a good lookover (under the Century thread of course). The way it's explained in there will have your Hawk set up in no time flat and will give you about 10-11 degrees of pos/neg pitch on your blades. Good luck with your bird. They sure are fun to tinker with!

[Hawk_Sport]

that they are Skunk. i am really enjoying mine even tho all i do is start it up and watch the blades get faster as it spools up . at about middle stick she wants to lift off the ground and i am still not comfortable yet with it so i slow it to idle ... then stop... once i get a brushless motor, esc, and battery for my walkera i will practice on it till i am good enough to take this Hawk into the air.... :thumbup:

[skunkworx]

Do you have a SIM? That'll really help, but overall you just have to get past the idea that you are scared to pick it up off the ground. I think the Hawk would be a better trainer because it's about 10 times more stable. Which Walkera do you have?

[Hawk_Sport]

i have practiced on the sim am able to pick it up and do forward flight and land still kinda ruff on hover as the heli tends to want to go to one side so i have to play with the settings then it does what i want... i find the sim is ok but nothing like the real deal at all. got bored of the sim . thats why i bought my walkera 60 back... i am looking to actually upgrade it to brushless, but on a fixed income am unable to do that at the moment. looking to trade a few things off just so i can actually get ugraded.

[skunkworx]

Hmmm.....well I wouldn't really recommend putting any money into the 60 because one good cash and you're buying a new one (sorry if I sound like a nag about it, just my $.02). If you want a good trainer, I'd go with an Axe CP or a decently used Trex450XL. By the time you get through using either one, you'll be more than ready to jump into the bigger heli. I say damn the torpedos and fly the Hawk right out of the gates! It'll be a tad pricier to do if you end up getting ahead of yourself and stuff it, but if you can have some patience, the bigger bird will be more rewarding. The main thing you have to deal with is the nerves. I've been flying for nearly 2 years now and I was shaking just as bad flying my buddy's Hawk for the first time as my first few flights on my T-rex. It's just a mental block we all have to get over. With how cheap the Hawk is, it'll be a great first bird (way easier to set up than an eCCPM bird). I only wished I'd gotten one of the instead of my Trex first. If you're already set with the 60 then I would just fly it as-is until it won't fly any more and save your pennies for replacement parts on the Hawk.

Just remember, you don't have to do anything more than get it light on the skids at first. Try getting it up just enough to start moving it around on the ground but low enough that if you dump it, it's not going to destroy anything. Good luck!

[Hawk_Sport]

i hear ya on that Skunk... see when i first got my walkera 60 it was working perfect, then like a bonehead i screwed with the settings on the stock tx and could not for the life of me undo it. so i traded it for the hawk. then a few months go by and the guy i traded with was selling the walkera so i jumped on it ....hooked everything up and whats stopping me here on this one is the battery basically. too heavy and not enough oomf to take it up into hover at all ... so i want to go brushless but cant seem to get a break. i have since moved all my elecs. (tx/Rx) back onto the hawk. i have also just purchased a fuselage for the walkera so brushless is the way i am goin to have to go with it.. again tho i have had a few offers on the brushless unit but what i have to trade noone wants. so again no breaks here. so like you siad i am gonna have to bite the gonads and lift the hawk and see what happens. so i will stop rambling here and go get her set up to specs of the book. also the tx i am using is the jr xp8103. pcm.

[skunkworx]

Well maybe we can help you get set up. First off, I'd go with an E-Flite motor or something that runs higher Kv (4,000+). A 1300-1800mAh battery should do the trick and the TX: Is it the programable one? Dip switches in the back and V1 and V2 knobs on the front? If so, it's really easy to fix, but you have to have some imagination. The gyro on the 4-n-1 is dynamite (I've got the same thing in my Walkera 52), so don't worry about going separates. The brushless hooks right up and flies away!

On the Hawk, I would just go as slow as possible. Just try some short hops to get a feel for the controls. Just keep the rotors turning and breathe deeply as you give it a go. Set goals up for each time you try it. After you get used to it getting light on the skids, try picking it up off the ground briefly and setting it back down and repeat until you feel comfortable doing only that. Eventually you will just hover, but don't push yourself further than what your nerves tell you because that's right when you mess up! Another tip is to slow down the headspeed so it doesn't have the power to lift off. Turn your throttle curve down to 30%-40% so you get a feel for moving the sticks without the lightning response, then increase as your confidence builds. Exponential helps with nervous thumbs too. Just remember, it's not a race, but rather something that should be fun to do. You'll only be frustrated if you blow through it too fast and crash 2 minutes into practice (your tank should last about 15-20 minutes just idling and at low RPM's) so no rush!

[Hawk_Sport]

well the stock tx and rx are garbaged. as the guy never sent them back so i was using my tx and rx from the hawk. wich is jr 8103. but since i cant get a brushless setup i am just goin to leave it a static model . wich really sucks . i bought a augusta body for it and its on its way here and lights also. and now i cant fly it untill i get brushless setup and another reciever for it.... so it will have to stay static untill the year 2048 or so.... as for the hawk i think i have it all setup right so i'll try to get it light on the skids when its not raining and on a nice day....

[skunkworx]

Cool. Good luck with it. A Castle Creations Phoenix25 should do the trick along with the Eflite 4200 motor. Top it off with a Logitech 2100t gyro and some 1500 batteries-should be a decent bird. Walkera stuff kinda goes out quick for some reason, but if you have your own stuff then the airframes aren't too bad.

Good luck with the Hawk. You'll get it pretty quick!

[Hawk_Sport]

well i have a few people that havent got back to me on the brushless stuff so like i siad i am goin to leave it a static model untill god knows when, but oh well no breaks i guess ... anyways thanks for the advice on the hawk . i will post progress here when it happens....:)

[eddo22]

kindof on this note, do i not need to check for ccpm interaction since hawks are MPM? or is there still some form of interaction that needs to be dialed out?

[skunkworx]

Not really. There are interactions that simply can't be avoided and hence the reason why so many manufacturers have gone to 120* (or even better 140*) swashplate setups. The main interaction is between the pitch and the aileron. It wiggles a little bit around mid-stick on this one, but it's so minute that I wouldn't bother to worry about it. However, binding is a whole other ballgame. Yes you want to make sure your servos aren't buzzing anywhere along the travel paths (and especially at the extremes of the throws) and ensure that none of the links bind up with each other or with the canopy. I had a major problem with tyhe pitch servo doing this. Found out that the servo had been mounted outside the frame when it was supposed to be inside which caused it to jump off the ground instead of lifting gently.

Like I said earlier in this post, check out the setup journal on the RR site under Century helis. The guy has a dynamite explaination of all that you need to do to get your Hawk screaming along in no time. Here's the link:

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t321886p1/

[Hawk_Sport]

i will add a lil something here as well. all the information that you gather from websites and stuff pertaining to the setup of any helicopter. PRINT IT OUT. instead of goin back and forth all the time ... i did this and i reference from the sheets now.. i even printed heli startup stuff.... anyways been crappy weather here still . i am hoping to god i get to lift this sucker off the ground soon... i will try to get some vids of it as well... i am looking to open a club for just helis here in the new year. gonna be called Sudbury RotorHeads.

[eddo22]

awesome info, thanks guys :)