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Stinky Igloo
08-05-2008, 11:21 PM
Not really a worth while upgrade, just something cool and different.

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6676/a1953136154x5r20kit2020gt1.jpg
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6825/a1994284216dscf11801wi6.jpg

bflores
08-05-2008, 11:33 PM
I don't get it.. Please Esplain! :)

Can you show some pictures with contact to the motor pinion? I see no teeth for the main gear.

I assume the top black belt powers the tail?

Looks really cool!

Stinky Igloo
08-05-2008, 11:36 PM
This should do the trick.

Very quiet compared to the stock setup, I dont think there is any increased performance.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3117/a193057644x5r20kit2011mb8.jpg

aussiemick
08-05-2008, 11:37 PM
The Photo just beat me!
Mick

oteskate
08-05-2008, 11:51 PM
Looks like a cool design and I can see how it would be quieter, but my main concern would be static issues that so many 500 users dealt with. We all had enough issues with just one belt producing static... this design is potentially 3 times as bad. :( Otherwise, it looks great!! :)

Stinky Igloo
08-05-2008, 11:54 PM
The guy who makes the kits is reporting no static, and actually is marketing it as a remedy? Not sure how that works out as I dont have any static issues to begin with.

Link to the kit.

http://www.acceleratedrc.com/Hoss-X5.htm

aaron07
08-06-2008, 11:03 AM
How much heavier than stock is it?

Wyldman
08-06-2008, 11:33 AM
You certainly would eliminate stripping the main gear with this solution!

Stinky Igloo
08-06-2008, 02:31 PM
He says around 45g heavier, but they are going to weigh them tonight and see.

Shawn Behrens
08-06-2008, 02:57 PM
just what the 500 needs more weight

gbeauc
08-07-2008, 04:13 AM
wonder what's the benefit other than noise reduction? to me it is just a novelty. makes it much harder to repair

perfeet
08-07-2008, 05:44 AM
You certainly would eliminate stripping the main gear with this solution!

You just transfer the force to the head instead. I rather strip the cheap main gear than applying even more force during a crash to the head.

Also to need a custom made frame and frameparts is negative in my opinion. More expensive and harder to get a hold of...

I see the torque tube (TT) as a much better solution. Then you eliminate the belt totaly, instead of adding two more. TT is barely any heavier than belt setup and easy maintenance. And much cheaper.

BUT it looks cool though and I am sure it is good quality :thumbup:

Azlum
08-07-2008, 06:37 AM
My biggest concern with this all along has been that adding belts = more drag = less power/flighttime + more heat

Just seems silly to me. Not trying to knock on it, but if there's actually a real benefit to this system... I have yet to see it.

Stinky Igloo
08-07-2008, 09:46 AM
20g difference.

Flight times seem to be the same.

Like I said in the beginning, not a worthwhile upgrade. Just something different. If it wasnt for people trying different things we would get no where in this hobby :D

tommy_b_o_y
08-07-2008, 09:59 AM
different crowd over here, eh marc?

ginnz
02-01-2009, 12:52 PM
im getting one of these kits next month. i have 2 x4e's already, and i love em.... belt dive is very nice, and very quiet.:thumbup:

the benefits i see on my hoss x4e's are:

-quieter
-no main gear to strip. oh, and the forces dont "transfer to the head" as one guy says, the belt will just slip....
-overall quality, the fit and finish is excellent is a much better quality bird in the end. imo.
-excellent engineering!

-not running the same old crap. its a little different. ;-)

perfeet
02-01-2009, 02:32 PM
im getting one of these kits next month. i have 2 x4e's already, and i love em.... belt dive is very nice, and very quiet.:thumbup:

the benefits i see on my hoss x4e's are:

-quieter
-no main gear to strip. oh, and the forces dont "transfer to the head" as one guy says, the belt will just slip....
-overall quality, the fit and finish is excellent is a much better quality bird in the end. imo.
-excellent engineering!

-not running the same old crap. its a little different. ;-)

Hi Ginnz

I am the guy who said the forces dont "transfer to the head" ;)

When I see the setup, I see belts and gears with teeth. How is the belt going to slip without risking stripping a few teeth on one or more of the belts? Is there a built in mechanism somewhere that releases tention of the belt in a crash. Please explain, because I stripped teeth on my belt tail, from time to time during a crash.

ginnz
02-01-2009, 05:29 PM
sue, theres a chance tou could strip a tooth off the belt, but in x4e's ive never had it happen, kinda like he tail belt, 80% of the time, it'll slip. i guys if youd hid the dirt full throttle with no intent to let off, of hit TH, youd inflict sugnificent damage, but most of us hit TH before that happens.... i also rweally like the third bearing on the mainshaft that holds the bottom of the "pulley" as well...

ill ley you guys know how the build and first flights go.....since owning the the X4E, and buying my second one, i was totally sold on the Hoss set-up, as a matter of fact i aquired an X4 from the same guy who sold me the second X4E, and Thomas is building me a few parts that were missing..... i figured, what the heck i have enough stuff laying around to build it, i may keep it for my son, i may sell it to my brother-in-law, i my use it for a scale bird.... i dunno.

but ive been eyeing the X5R since last summer, and now that i bought a 500 rex, i jumped right on it, as Thomas is a home modeler, and this is just a part time thing for him, you get on a list, and he custom makes the stuff for you..... the drive system is virtially indestuctable, the only thing you'd need in event of a major crash may be a drive/secondary belt, and frame sides, which are 30 something a set.... but if that happens you got bigger problems..... ;-)

ill keep ya updated.:cheers

tricky dicky
02-02-2009, 12:33 AM
This set up is similar to my Protos - but the Protos has only one belt drive and is very quiet, not to metion so much lighter. As SkunkyMagoo says, it is great for the hobby that we have innovative thinkers that try and improve product, for without them the product would stagnate.

mjbrands
02-02-2009, 01:42 PM
This looks a bit like the transmission in the Blitz Avro.

http://www.blitz-helicopters.com/image.php?g=spec/01-primary-drive.jpg&t=AVRO%20(two-stage%20transmission) (http://www.blitz-helicopters.com/image.php?g=spec/01-primary-drive.jpg&t=AVRO%20%28two-stage%20transmission%29)

Zaaaguy72
02-03-2009, 06:00 AM
I must admit, it is pretty cool, but not practical for me. I personally bought a T500 so I could get parts easy and fly a lot. Although very cool, a mod like this would slow me down!

Shef
02-03-2009, 07:16 AM
Yes, looks cool, and I'm sure we'd all love quieter birds (maybe).

But wouldn't you have the take a fram off to replace the belts? Much easier to just pop out the mains now.

ginnz
02-03-2009, 09:30 AM
no, if its anything the same as my X4E, you pull the mainshaft, then the main pulley, and put the drive belt around the pinion, then the main drive pulley, the top belt and reinsert the pulley..... youd have to loosen the motor, and the tail boom.....

thats how i see it. but ill let you know, Thomas, the builder of the kit, is putting the finishing touches on mine. he says he has a TT design available as well. i may look into that.....although, with the theme on this build being belt drive, the plasic gears of the TT would spoil that for me ;-):roll::lol:

Zoobie
02-03-2009, 12:01 PM
Looks cool, but I have trouble keeping the tension of one belt perfect - how is it with 3?

JaggedEdge
02-03-2009, 12:17 PM
So many skeptics.

I'd do it if I built a 2nd 500.