9303/ 9XII Gryo Sence and Govener

[brianbruff]

Hello there.
Firstly I've had a read of some of the other posts but am not really getting a definitive answer to my question.

I bought my first heli Raptor 30 just before christmas, I also bought the Jr 9XII (pretty much the same as the american 9303 from what i read).

Now I'd like to understand the radio and the proper way to set it up with my gyro and my CSM RevLock govener.

My current setup is
CSM 310 gryo, Gyro gain on the gear channel (so gear switch toggles between HH and Normal, and the Gear ATV controls the gain)

Revlock on Aux2 3 position switch (Top activates mode A head speed around 1550, middle position is revlock off (more like revlock confused), bottom position activates Mode B on revlock with head speed 1750), (so my adjustments are on the Aux2 ATV)

Now firstly lets not get bogged down on head speeds that's a different discussion. What I would like to know is the proper way to set this up.

What seems nice to me would be to have the Govener Mode activated, this would mean that I have to move my gyro gain to Aux2 channel for example.

Now suspose I did this, my Aux2 switch has 3 positions I really only want a 2 position switch (heading hold or normal) and from what I can see the 9303 doesn't not allow me to change the Aux2 switch to any other the other 2 position switches in DeviceSelect! am I missing something?
Also the Gryo Sence functionality... Can I use this? I.e. does the Gyro sence relate to ATV in anyway? Maybe the Gryo Sence won't work with the CSM.

Now asuming that I get my Gyro working on a 2 position switch (not the gear switch) lets move onto the RevLock.


As I explained the revlock has 2 modes (Mode A and Mode B)
I will have Mode A configured for the 14k-17k range, and Mode B configured for the 17K+ range.

What I really would like is for The flight mode to select
Off for FM Normal (0 ATV/Stich position)
Mode A for FM1
Mode B for FM2

And have a 2 position switch (possible the gear??) For an on/off override for the govener.

As I've said i'm new to all of this, I think It can possibly be achievered by a mix, but I don't know if this makes sence?

It seems to me that in Heli mode the 9303 seems more restricted in reagards the the Switches that can be assigned in the DeviceSel.


Ok this is a long post, but any pointers would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks
Brian.

[bighands3d]

I have the 9X a revlock and 500T gyro. here is what I did the Gear switch is the D/R Rudder switch to have HH and N gear ATV sets gains. the Aux 2 switch on the face of the radio is the 3 position switch A mode on, B mode off, C mode on.. I have mine similiar to yours A high mode and C low mode.

MY ajustments are the same Aux 2 ATV. 85% and 90% the revlock is not a govener it just stops the over speeding.. of the engine if you wanted to control head speed you needed a govener. And not a revlock I have mine at 1750 and 1800. Since you are flying a raptor you need more headspeed than 1750 more like 1850 as the high side. The revlock is perfect for low power machines you will have to use your throttle mixes to take advantage of the power curves. I have Stratus with a OS 70 and I need all the power I can get a governer will not let you have all the power you need. Alan S used the revlock he just controls his curves with pitch or mixes.

I hope this helps clear up some of what you wanted I don't know if you can set the revlock up for flight mode switchs

[brianbruff]

Hi there bighands3d, thanks for the quick reply.
My current set up is somewhat like yours,
I've the gear channel controling my gyro gain (90% and 90%)
And i've my Aux2 switch controling my govener (mode a, off, mode b) (controled by the aux2 atv)

However this i without the govener activated or without the gyro sence activated.

Now the radio has these two reatures so I would really like to used them.

I had a good play around last night and tried to get the correct setup (only on the tx side looking at the Monitor)

Now using the bit of info you gave me (rudder d/r can be controlled by gear swith) I can come up with the following.

1) Gyro
a) In the device select set the rudder d/r switch to the gear switch
b) In the Gyro Sence menu set the activation switch to Rudder D/R
then set the position 0 and position 1 gains ( 5% and 95% seems to correspont to +-90% in the ATV: which means 0-50 in gyrow sence is -100 -0 on atv and 50-100 on gyro sence is 0-100 on atv, ok so we loose resolution doing this, but i dont think i personally would tell the difference between 88% gain and 89% so i don't think it's so critical,,, but if it is then i guess the atv can be used in conjunction with gyro sence but i havn't checked)
c)With the gryo sence the gryo gain lead whould be connected the the Aux2 channel on the RX, I also guess but must check that if previous values are divided by two and entered into the gyro sence menu then the gyro does not need to be set up again.. (assuming all chanels have same amount of travel)



Ok so that would be my ideal gyro set up... now for my RevLock.
Firstly I'll admit i'm v.new to this hobby (dreamed about it for years and did nothing) But I was thinking the the CSM RevLock is a govener? I'm not sure about other products but I know there is a RevMax something or other so maybe this is what your thinking about? Hey I'm not sure,.. acutally just checked the website http://www.rcmodels.org/csm/Revlock.htm they call it a govener (be it just a marketing ploy? I'm not experienced enough to know..)

Now the 9xII/93030 has a govener feature that can be activated by Setting the output of the gear chanel to GOV.
This gives a new Govener Menu that allows you to set your Govener Speeds for different flight modes (Normal = off, ST1 = ModeA, ST2 = ModeB), So again I think set the ATV for the Gear Channel to 100% and enter the required values via the Govener menu.


.......... Ok so where are we..

I have the gyro working on gear switch (aux2 channel)
I have the revlock working on the flight mode switch (gear channel)

but.....

I would like to be able to do some sort of mix that says, ok if i flip a switch then no matter what Flight Mode I'm in I want the govener off..

From what i've been told I should mix the gear channel agains't itself (for 50 in use -50 so i get 0... i.e. revlock inactive..

But for the life of me i can't figure out how to do this! It seems to me that once the govener hav been activated then no mixing can be performed with the the gear channel as a slave.


Once again my disclaimer: I knew nothing about r/c untill before christmass.. i'm still barely out of hover, and all of the above could be totally nonsence.. but I'll gladly take any suggestions on the right way to do this.

Also as a aside: In the mixing menus there is Elev and #Elev and +Elev, has anyone found documentation on what these are? Maybe the are just common among all radios, but this is my first and only radio and the documentation mentions nothing on then.

Thanks once again for putting up with my long post.

Brian

[bighands3d]

that was my mistake. I thought you had the revmax. sounds like you got most of it set up the way you want it. I'm not familiar with the revlock. But I do like the revmax.

good luck with it.

[brianbruff]

Hi again,
Thanks for your reply.
Regards
Brian

[brianbruff]

Hello, just said i'd tie up this thread,
I activated the gyro sence featur of my radio (AUX2 on Rudder D/R switch for changing between normal and hlock)
I actived the govener function on the Device Select and it now is off for Normal Flight Mode, 1550 for Flight mode 1 and 1750 for flight mode 2. All Flight Modes still run a linear pictch range of 0-10 (hey i'm just out of nappies).

I've accepted that they radio can't use the gear chanel as a slave for mixing when the govener function is activated (hey if i really want to switch it off i'll just set the govener % for whatever flight mode i want to 0)


regds
Brian.

[mrbrokeitt]

use the govenor funt. in the radio to do the same thing stated in your post.

Where the Remote channel for the governor is controlled by the Idle-up switch (for example when using the JR code 44 feature) you may
be unable to reduce the throttle to the low position to set the range for either Mode A or Mode B. In this case select idle up and then press
'SET'. This will switch the display briefly to show the current range value (the 'Armed' LED will go off to show the change in display
mode). While the range is being displayed in this way further pressing of 'SET' will change the range for the current Mode. After a short
pause the display will revert to the offset value and the Armed LED will come on again.