What's the best?

[Roadrune]

I'm pretty much decided to go flybarless on my protos, but what will perform best?

I believe it's a question of 2 systems, v-bar and the Skrotum (it's spelled like that, right :D).

I don't care about price or userfriendlyness, all i want is the system that perform best allround for a beginner wanting to go 3D when i learn to fly....

[Alexander01]

V-bar.

[perfeet]

V-bar.

Any reasoning for stating that V-Bar is the best?:confused:

[povern]

Learn to fly without it first, then get the V-Bar. The crashes will be MUCH cheaper.

[Heli-RND]

Learn to fly without it first, then get the V-Bar. The crashes will be MUCH cheaper.

??? I would say go straight into SK 360

[Roadrune]

But have anyone of you tried both systems, and therefore can state one to be better?

[nwolsink]

The German AC-3X (http://www.eheli-tuning.de/?site=ac3x) should be really good as well!!

http://www.eheli-tuning.de/images/main_background_linksac3x.gif

[perfeet]

The German AC-3X (http://www.eheli-tuning.de/?site=ac3x) should be really good as well!!

http://www.eheli-tuning.de/images/main_background_linksac3x.gif


It looks like high quality.

Read through the manual and did not find anything about the possibility to connect it to a PC. On the positive side you don't need a PC to configure it in the field.

The price of 495€ are a little steep, compared that you pay for a Vbar (if you can find one :D) or the Skookum SK360.

Also the support / forumhelp is limited yet, but that may change...

[Big Fil]

If you are a beginner then my advice would also be to steer away from flybarless systems. You must know the feeling of a flybar before you can understand the huge amount of variables involved in first making a flybarless system measure up to a flybar'd setup and then to exceed it. I think for a beginner the amount of time and tweeking involved with setting up a flybarless system will get in the way of stick time and concentrating on flying. Even after I put a vbar on my current heli I am glad that I flew it for 6 months on a flybar. This gave me a reference point for how the heli performed both before and after.

[Roadrune]

If you are a beginner then my advice would also be to steer away from flybarless systems. You must know the feeling of a flybar before you can understand the huge amount of variables involved in first making a flybarless system measure up to a flybar'd setup and then to exceed it. I think for a beginner the amount of time and tweeking involved with setting up a flybarless system will get in the way of stick time and concentrating on flying. Even after I put a vbar on my current heli I am glad that I flew it for 6 months on a flybar. This gave me a reference point for how the heli performed both before and after.

To late, i installed my V-bar today :D

[Skookum]

>If you are a beginner then my advice would also be to steer away from flybarless systems...

As a flyer, my 2 cents...I recently helped a friend get started. He was making the jump from a blade cx to a blade 400.

So I happened to have a blade 400 I had experimented with converting to flybarless, and while it flew ok and helped work through some technical issues, I wasn't totally thrilled with the results (in its defense it had stock plastic head parts and servos). So my beginner friend bought it off me, and I told him flybarless was probably just more complexity for him at this stage, and the flybar'd heli would be stable.

It took us at least two hours to convert it back. To my surprise, the blade 400 was even less stable with a flybar. It was a real handful in wind especially, and a bear to repair. The stock head looks like mad clockwork now. So no matter which system you use I'd agree Roadrune now, if you can get past the setup stage there are advantages to starting without the flybar even from day 1, at least with the little helis.

Of course, then you'll think forever after that flybar helis feel weird.

[Heli-RND]

Skookum, Big Fil, all, biggest obstacle is the set up stage, can not be wrong. Flybar is plug and play, equal length and weight on both end is the only key, simple; but flybarless gyro, .....

I wonder how many pilots out there understand how does a flybar work??? But this is what it takes to help the pilot the go through the set up perfectly because he is replacing the flybar with an electronic device. God, once I started my first SK-360 set up, I actually had a lot of sleepless night thinking of the flybar in my head, trying to figure out how does that work. After nights holding the Trex 450 for hours without a word, my wife thought I messed up my mind.

Thus, came the quick reference guide in my site, hoping that would help the beginners and even pro pilots to get through this stage without going back to school for the degree in "Flybar".

A friend flying Vbar commented flybarless device as a brand new concept to rc helicopter, wihtout putting the flybar concept aside, one would have a hard time accepting the flybarless, but it takes to know the flybar better before one can know how to set up a flybarless.

Need to mention, once set up, a flybarless definitely better than flybar. servo binding... gone, slow cyclic .... gone, motor bog....gone, expensive battery ....gone, expsensive motor .... gone. and it definitely flies a lot better than a flybar under strong wind.

Whichever developer understand and solve this, rules the world. They need an easy, "plug and play" like set up, they do not want to spent hours on set up; they do not want to carry the laptop to the field ....

I have being searching for flybar info but all those are rocket science maths, let me see if I can put that into simple English on my webstie.

[mguw]

Hi

I would suggest to go for the AC3X.
it can make really rock a damn cheap heli.
I put it on my SJM430 and the results are just unbelivable.

http://www.vimeo.com/1834126

http://www.rcmovie.de/video/4fc25689522435f35fed/SJM430-flybarless-bei-wind-mit-vplus-lipo

I tried a vbar and could never get it fly flawless. With the AC3X it is a matter of 3-4 adjustment flight following the user manual. And all this without the need for a laptop at all.

I love it and ordered a second one for the smal SJM400 :D

regards

[Peter10654]

Hi

I would suggest to go for the AC3X.
it can make really rock a damn cheap heli.
I put it on my SJM430 and the results are just unbelivable.

http://www.vimeo.com/1834126

http://www.rcmovie.de/video/4fc25689522435f35fed/SJM430-flybarless-bei-wind-mit-vplus-lipo

I tried a vbar and could never get it fly flawless. With the AC3X it is a matter of 3-4 adjustment flight following the user manual. And all this without the need for a laptop at all.

I love it and ordered a second one for the smal SJM400 :D

regards

I'm with this !! I fly it on my Acrobat SE and the AC3X is the best Flybarless System I know. No PC or more than only "ONE BOX" is needed. All is into this small high quality chassis.

Cheers

Peter