New Flybarless System from Gaui

[gregwee]

There's a new flybarless system available, Gaui GU-365, available from Flying Hobby here (http://flying-hobby.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=232_233&products_id=3882), with a price of $199 only. :)

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Manuals available over at RCGroups, Part 1 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=2094088) and Part 2 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=2094089).

From the video, it looks like it works pretty well, but we'll just need to see how easy it is to setup. ;)

[Bjorn]

Anyone other than Nick Maxwell tried this yet?

[Stickman]

the video shows a 200 size electric heli and infinity hobby reviews it to be used in a protos so we know it "should" be able to used at least up to a 500 size electric heli.

what is interesting if it could be used up to a 50 size nitro heli with good results. it would be quite amazing if it can be done at $199 price point.

only time will tell, so far i am inclined towards SK360 for my new flybarless project.

[genexis]

Yep, and you will be the 2nd person in Singapore who owns it :)

[Tim Tompkins]

The description adds, it is for electric not nitro because of vibration. Size of machine is not the limit. I like the news of this upcomming tech. They also have fbarless heads for 450 size and 8mm mainshaft size. $ 200 for the electronics and $ 70.00 for the head and my mini titian gets a new personality. TimT

[Heli-RND]

Yep, and you will be the 2nd person in Singapore who owns it :)


Nope, I just sold two to Singapore, I hope this is not a race ...

[Heli-RND]

There's a new flybarless system available, Gaui GU-365, available from Flying Hobby here (http://flying-hobby.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=232_233&products_id=3882), with a price of $199 only. :)

EDE2eF_9jbQ

Manuals available over at RCGroups, Part 1 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=2094088) and Part 2 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=2094089).

From the video, it looks like it works pretty well, but we'll just need to see how easy it is to setup. ;)

Thanks for the info, seems this is not ready for high speed flight nor 3D, the set up is too low level and the sensors are not pumping a stable performance. Comparing with others int the market, that is like a low cost working class car vs a Lambo ...

[JaggedEdge]

Thanks for the info, seems this is not ready for high speed flight nor 3D, the set up is too low level and the sensors are not pumping a stable performance. Comparing with others int the market, that is like a low cost working class car vs a Lambo ...

Have you tried it?

[gregwee]

Thanks for the info, seems this is not ready for high speed flight nor 3D, the set up is too low level and the sensors are not pumping a stable performance. Comparing with others int the market, that is like a low cost working class car vs a Lambo ...

I don't think you can actually say anything until someone has objectively compared this system with either the SK360/V-bar/helicommand/etc in a single helicopter with the exact same setup except for the change in flybarless system.

In any case, I'm really wondering about your motive for this comment since you ARE a reseller for the SK360, and have spammed the Hong Kong members of this board promoting the SK360 by PM.. :thumbdown:

BTW, I am NOT affiliated with flying hobby or any retailer, just a rc heli flyer..

[mysticmead]

Thanks for the info, seems this is not ready for high speed flight nor 3D, the set up is too low level and the sensors are not pumping a stable performance. Comparing with others int the market, that is like a low cost working class car vs a Lambo ...


by saying it's not ready for 3D, I'll take that as you didn't watch the video of Nick and his Gaui 200 doing piro flips.. and of course you're basing all this on that it's not techy enough on setup?? so if it can be setup without being attached to a computer and going through a GUI, then it's no good? :roll:

[Heli-RND]

Sorry guys, seems my identity as a reseller prohibits me to make any comment... anyway, I did test that and also, I chat to some one involved in the design of it. Anyway, I can take those back and let the others to make all the comments but sorry again, I mean no offense, I could not even see it is flybarless in the video ...

Sorry folks

[worldofmaya]

Hi!
If it's working like the VStabi I use... Cool, nice way of saving money :clappp
But I really don't think that it will work that good. Why? You just have to read the documentation... there's no way tp change something besides a few things you could change in one of the lower-end gyros. Anyone who has setup a VStabi or any other system knows what I mean...
Another thing is the support of servos. No one wrote (by now) which servos work. I really don't think that a upper-class heli will be able to use such a system.
But, I really like the idea behind this system. I think the main focus of this system are smaller / multi-blade helis with standard configuration. Anyone else will use something like a VStabi or Ac3x. The price is nice at the first look, but I think that there'll be a lot of people complaining about tail performance.
Anyway, my Hurricane will be a candidate to test this system!
-klaus

[Heli-RND]

Worldofmaya, exactly,

Below is my post in RR

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I had discussion with a few pilots today, totally agree this unit is another choice for some pilots. Let me say ... away from my identity as the SK 360 reseller ... OK.

a) this can be a very good choice for scale pilots
b) this can be a good choice for beginner ...
c) this is extremely good choice for 200 and 250 size helis

This product will contribute a lot in the development of flybarless... why? Vbar had been expensive for too long, and there was not much choice, from the way they drop the price and you can tell how much they had been making (this is not a sin though). It would be hard for a beginner who crashes every two flights to get into this when the product itself is more expensive than a 600E.

So this expensiveness blocks a lot of potential flybarless pilots, then the low demand in market makes the product expensive; this is a cycle.

With this beginner's choice, a lot more will drop the flybar, that heats up the competition; thus, lower price to compete (just like what SK 360 did to Vbar) then the increase in demand increase will decrease the production cost. Then more value-added solution and improvement (again look the recent development of Vbar, who pushed them to do that?)

Guess what, if there is an instant market of 1,000 pieces of SK 360; Art can definitely bargain for a better deal in parts supply and thus, cut his price again.

My comment in another forum was not bad mouthing the Guai but asking not compare it with Vbar or SK-360, because it is meant for different market. So please do not expect this to be a cheap version of Vbar delivering same performance, this will be very unfair to this unit. That is why I said, we pay peanut for monkey.

Some observations, it may not be capable of handling high speed forward flight, high speed piro nor 3D. Do not install it on a nitro. Think of paying 200 USD for three gyros plus a mixer.... what should one expect?
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[Tim Tompkins]

I think some people might think this magic science. These components are not special to our tiny hobby. Silcone micro machines are used in automotive industry, air bag, stabilization ect. We don't command a place in this high tech r/d. What we get is smart hobbiests that combine such tech pieces and make our hobby fresh. Not many among us wanted to spend the inital huge money for little change. Now that the business has spread around I see lots of new competition for slices of the pie. Most if not all would spend $200.00 to try some thing new but for more of my $ you need to sell it harder. What are we talking here? I can and do adjust my heli's with a 14MZ and don't need to be able to make a million little adjustments on a laptop to fly. I like the idea of making the change with my model set up and my radio program so I can move this new box from one model to another. I also like the 3 axis in one box better for space if nothing else. I predict this will all get smaller and better, just like everything else. TimT

[worldofmaya]

@Heli-RND: I totally agree! My main concern right now is that people buy the Gaui system with the wrong expectations. And another really dangerous point is the manual. The part about setting the right directions is way too short. There'll be a lot of people crashing their helis because of wrong setups. A big attention sign with a warning would have been a minimum.
@Tim: If you don't like using a PC / Notebook, have a look at the AC3x. Great display and easy to setup with a comparable performance. By the way that's the main opponent of VStabi at least here in Europe.
-klaus

[Tim Tompkins]

Off topic, I had a *******r. When they first came here to the states I got one of the first ones. I had it and a heliboy. I converted my heliboy to a second *******r. Sturdy is a good word to describe that one. TimT

[Bobbyk]

I am very interested in this unit, but reading this post by every one, there is not alot of test being done, but all this review is very confusing. have you guys done a side by side test?

Thanks

Robert

[gregwee]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm still waiting for an objective test by someone who doesn't have a vested interest in reselling one of the competition's products before investing my money in one of these.

As to whether the Gaui can compare with V-bar or SK360, that's something that can only be determined after an objective test by a trusted 3rd party. Who knows, if it even comes close to the performance of the V-bar, it will be more than enough due to the low price..

However, if the video of Nick Maxwell flying the EP200 is any indication of the true performance of the GU365, then I'm pretty sure that it will be more than adequate for standard fast forward flight and mild aerobatics, which will be adequate for about 99% of all heli flyers..

[mysticmead]

if anyone buy ANY vbar system and thinks it will suddenly make them a pro level 3D pilot.. they're in for a big surprise. I have a Hurricane 550, and a lot of people buy them thinking that they'll fly like Justin Chi one his hurricane.. or that the plastic framed hurricane thinking that it was up to hard core 3D because it says it's 3D capable on the box.. I keep telling them that it can 3D... just not hard core UNLESS you upgrade..

same thing I can see with the GU-365.. will it work as a flybarless system.. no doubt about it. will it do FF and FFF sure it will... can it do 3D.. bet it can do it and do it pretty good too.. then again.. you could take a complete newbie and stick a V-Stabi in their heli and they'll crash the heck out of it.. and a pro can make a GU-365 look like the magical system to be the next best thing since sliced bread... if people would take it for what it is, they'll be very happy with it... and that's an inexpensive flybarless system. Just like the hurricane 550 is a low cost large entry level heli. the GU-365 is an entry level vbar.. the important thing is.. Gaui is throwing the door open for other manufacturers to develop low cost vbars and help force the price down on the top of the line products...

[JaggedEdge]

I'm far from a 3d pilot but It works. Out of the box. followed instructions.. No crashing, no tip overs.. no roll or pitch wagging. First test flights were in 10-15mph winds.

On setup the tail gyro was creeping so I switched back to the 401 for the first flights.
Coming out of a loop the heli wanted to nose down. I don't remember noticing it in forward flight.
Still getting blade tracking narrowed down but it does work.

Way to go Gaui. :noteworthy

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[Ecklund1]

Nice job JE! That's good to hear. I've got mine just about installed on the 200SD, but I forgot to order the new Head, soooo I'm taking my time with the install. I can't wait to try it.
I suppose I could try with the Flybar, but I don't really want to...

[bugdozer]

I'm far from a 3d pilot but It works. Out of the box. followed instructions.. No crashing, no tip overs.. no roll or pitch wagging. First test flights were in 10-15mph winds.

On setup the tail gyro was creeping so I switched back to the 401 for the first flights.
Coming out of a loop the heli wanted to nose down. I don't remember noticing it in forward flight.
Still getting blade tracking narrowed down but it does work.

Way to go Gaui. :noteworthy

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Ooooo. Install looks great, just fits. Can't wait until next weekend. May have to get one myself. :)

[Airgeek]

I fly GAUI -- not a pro, but tired of getting Align and having to upgrade just to get it to fly decent -- (no offense TREX flyers...)

The 365 system won't fly the thing for you but should make it easier to learn, then easier to go nutz ! ! ! !

Cheaper and smaller than CSM stuff --
Ain't technology COOL ! !

The 3 axis system from GAUI should finally put them on the map where they belong -- FINALLY ! ! !

Good product for the REAL (Average) heli pilot ! ! and aspiring pro -


WAY TO GO GAUI ! ! ! Lets see MORE ! ! !

Airgeek

[Bjorn]

Hi, I posted this over at rcgroups :
Some help with gu-365?

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Hi,I have tried to help a buddy with the setup of a gu-365 but we can not get it to initialize properly
He has a jr12x 2,4 radio and a spektrum6200 receiver.
The problem is that we can not get the light to be green (according to step 6 in the manual), it just stayes constant red. We tried reversing the gyro channel on the receiver but it still lights red.
We then tried different things, and when setting the no. 1 & 2 switches to off the light turned green.
But when we then turn switch no.3 to off the light is still green, so the unit will not initialize..
We then tried pushing the elevator forward, but still nothing happens.
Is there som kind of magic to get this ting to work properly, or are we missing something here?
We has of course double,triple and quadruple checked the wiring
Hope sombody can give us some good ideas to work with here..


Maybe somebody here can help?
tnx
Bjorn Tore

[JaggedEdge]

Probably no help for you...

Turn on TX, RX and gu365.
GU365 light should be green when on.
Switch channel 3 to off. light should blink red.
Go full nose down a the tx until the light blinks green.
Set channel 3 to on. Light should turn solid green.

If the gu365 does not go to blinking green the gu365 either didn't see full stick or full stick was input too slow.

have no idea where the gains were set on my gu365 when I was configuring these steps but maybe you could try setting the ch1 and ch2 gains to 90 clockwise from 0. they don't tell you to go to 100% gain until after the tx/rx/gu365 config is complete.