pretty cool

[Heli_jack]

This has been most interesting to watch this forum, which until just a few weeks ago was basically a dead forum on this site. Many of us have moved from a location where we were unable to speak freely, and at the same we time were allowed to tear each other apart with words.

Those two things are necessary for us as a group to convey information. I think many of us will be a bit of a jerk in the days ahead, just like we were over there. I suggest we try to be less agressive in our statements and try to be more humble.

We are the Elite of the Elite in a recreational passion. It takes a fair chunk of change to make it into the turbine world of toys. We need to act a bit more like the educated intellegent people we are. We could very easily look like a bunch of spoiled rich kids to the rest of the RC heli world.

Will has a great website. Thanks Will

What the heck, here is a shot of my 145 in progress. PJW

[Greg Alderman]

Well...Jack...I am not sure if we are the Elite of the Elite :D I think we are just willing to spend the extra money on the hobby...I personally don't feel any different when I go to an event now with a turbine or 2 than when I used to show up with only my plastic fantastic...

I think we all just like the smell and sound of turbines...at least that is what I like...it certainly isn't that they fly better than anything out there...They will never be as agile as a 10lb 90...nor will my flying progress very much if I just fly the turbine...

I do feel I have found my little niche in the hobby...because going to events and flying the turbine around sure has opened some doors for me with people in the hobby...and I am grateful for that...

So yeah...like Will said...check your ego at the door when you come in and let’s use what we have learned to help each other out...

[wolfdad]

Greg/Jack,
Something good to be said for both of your posts.

Quite honestly, my love for the turbine/scale side of the hobby has so far over-shadowed any other facets that I have decided to transition to strictly the turbine side with scale being my primary area of concentration, so I guess you could say that I am attending school majoring in turbines with a minor in scale (actually, probably more true to say a "double major). I say "attending school" because I am going to sincerely try to stay in the "learning" mode...and, I have a LOT to learn in both "major" areas.

I was challenged late last year by some close friends, thus my first visit to the Nats this year. Don't have any idea how it will come out and the only expectations I will be carrying with me are the expectations to learn as much as I possibly can from the "Masters"....more than likely a large lesson in humility, however that's how I figure one has to start. I have also found that, without exception, every "Scale Master" from Dr. Tim to Joe Howard to Al Wert to Peter Wales have, without hesitation, been willing to bend over backwards to help, offer advice and recommendations....that's the type of community that I enjoy being a part of.

And, the above touches on another salient point....that of being willing to give of one's self to help others....what this hobby is all about, in my opinion.
Doc

[DavidH]

Yes I also enjoy reading all the information exchange between turbine pilots and owners. Everyone is going to have a different opinion or a different way to do things. It is OK to disagree with each other. Just keep it civil. I do admire turbines and the technology behind them. I have been in this hobby long enough to remember, that the big deal was a ducted fan in a jet model. Now you hardly hear anything about ducted fan model. <G> Technology is great and thriving in the hobby. You turbinites carry on with the exchange of information and pictures.
Please post pictures and videos for us non turbine owners to drool and ahhh over.

David

[Gary O]

I for one am glad you guys have come over to this site. I have talked to Chris about getting a Bergen/Wren set up and I'm just about ready to pull the trigger. After my Jetcopter experience, which some of you know about from earlier posts, it's taken a while to get that feeling of seeing that thing falling out of the sky in a fireball out of my system. There is nothing like the sound of a turbine spooling up and the rush when it flies by. Like David said in his post, seeing new technology, and where it has come to is pretty amazing.

[wolfdad]

Gary,
Just glad to see you still around and, yes, I remember quite well. As I have stated, this is the only place you will now find me, now....along with a bunch of super folks.

Gary, you gotta' pull the trigger again...turbines aren't a destination, but a continuing journey...expensive, but one helluva' lot of fun.
Take care,
Doc

[Gary O]

Oh, Im going to Doc. It's one of htose things like getting in cold water. It's easier to just jump in with both feet but right now I'm doing that toe dance thing. :lol:

[Heli_jack]

You know Greg, you are right....we all put our pants on the same way.

I guess what I was trying to say is that we (the group of active turbine folks) are perceived as a level above. Why? Human nature I guess. We need to at least look like we put our pants on the same as a newbie with his training gear on his raptor .30.

Yes, I am glad most of us moved here.
Jack

[WillJames]

I am saving pennys to get the Bergen setup to Gary. One of these days. I know it is a working machine, Greg puts almost 20 flights on his per event it lately and I know CHris is putting in a bunch of flights to. Good enough for me.

I am glad you guys are here as well. There are more of us looking at turbines seriously, but the lack of knowledge is a scary thing for us. Thanks for sharing your mojo guys!! :noteworthy

[cbergen]

Along those lines (getting turbine info out there), maybe with Wren's permission, we could post in here how the setup works (at least insofar as the Wren two stage in my case), and others could explain the direct drive setups.

The problem could definitely be some of the ego's involved, and getting into a "this is better or worse" scenario.

Yes, I am a manufacturer and have a definite preference on systems, but if we all remember that there a advantages and disadvantages in most everything we do, it might help keep it more civil.

[wolfdad]

Chris,
I have no affiliation with any one of the turbine or heli manufacturer's and my ego has more holes blown in it than a chunk of swiss cheese, however I would be more than happy to share what has worked for me and what hasn't...and, I think we could generalize with regard to brands. Never been really big on gotcha's or one-upmanship...I buy and use what I like and what works for me and am more than willing to openly share that info. I will openly lay claim to the fact that I have picked up as many or more heli pieces off the flying field than just about anyone, taught myself to fly (no claim to any severe talent there...just what I need to get by...occasionally) and that's about it. The subject of set-ups is a danged good one and I would like to hear and see the wealth of information I know is out there.

I currently have a situation that, thanks to Dr. Tim and Peter Wales and, hopefully, this evening Al Wert are helping me work through and/or around. Right now, my thought process tells me it ain't the turbine so, for the time-being and, until Al tells me otherwise, I believe my "turbine-lag demo/collective management" training videos are just that....my learning curve with the 4 blade head and the required set-up, but until I am told otherwise, I am going with the theory that it is ME that is the problem and only flying and set-up tweaking will fix it. Quite honestly, the easy way out is to blame the turbine or radio or a million other "my wife she, my dog it" excuses, however right now, I am convinced it is my "learning curve" and nada more. Just like when I was playing football and it was the "only" thing in my life, I have over and over watched the flight video's (other than my family and friends, heli's ARE the only thing in my life now) as if they were game films trying to see where I can improve and that helicopter and I are a team and that's the ONLY way it can work.

Enough rambling. Be more than happy to share any/all knowledge I possibly can and even more happy to learn.
Doc

[Heli_jack]

Chris, I think that is a great idea.

[wolfdad]

Jack,
I am with you brother.
Doc

[cbergen]

OK!

I got tacit approval from Sara, along with some awesome pics and diagrams to add to it. We'll start a new thread so as not to hijack this one too bad, or does a different thread per system make more sense? It might get a little confusing to a newbie like me if we keep mixing info in the same thread....

[Sara]

Chris, you got whole-hearted approval from me! I think it is an excellent idea. I'm not sure whether you would need different threads for different systems - whether it would be more confusing to have cross-references between threads or to keep it all on one thread.
Wren are very happy to answer questions about any aspect of building and operating turbines and although I personally don't have all the answers, the team behind me do. It would be great if there was also someone from JetCat/Jakadofsky who could answer questions on the single-stage turbines. When I talk to people on the phone/email or at shows I find that many of them would like to know more about the technology behind helicopter turbines, and I think this would be very popular.

Sara Parish
Wren Turbines

[Heli_jack]

Chris and everyone else.
For an old fogey with Oldzheimers like me :roll: :wink: I would prefer different topic for each brand/type. That way we can search on a brand, keep idosyncrasies within that thread.

I know where I might get some information that could be posted on the Jaka, gotta get permission too.
Jack

[wolfdad]

Jack,
When you ask for that permission, do me a favor and ask either Al or Peter to watch that video from this past weekend and get them to forward their thoughts and would appreciate your's as well....on the turbine "hunting." I think it was all me, but would like to get confirmation.

BTW, good idea on keeping the "idiot-sincracies (my spelling)" separate by turbine type.
Doc

[WillJames]

That is a great idea Chris. I think each of you that flys different setups ought to start your own threads if you want. I know me and a lot of other people would read!!! I am VERY interested, and I know a lot of others are as well.

Great idea Chris!! Thank you in advance to any of you who share what is working for you. I love learning new stuff. :glasses2: