HeliFreak - Flight Stabilization

Another player in the ring - Align

dyuen888 — Wed, 16 May 2012 19:48:07 GMT

http://www.daddyhobby.com/forum/show...ot-System-GYRO

Swashplate levellers

helibeli — Mon, 14 May 2012 00:59:52 GMT

Most of the units sold seem to be for flybarless helis.Apart from the flymentor how many are there specially for flybar helis.?

flight angles wont stay programed

jerry1711 — Mon, 14 May 2012 00:46:46 GMT

I will adjust the flight angles using the ir router
almost get it perfect
and then I land the heli and go to spool up and the swash plate is totaly off agian

so i do it again and the same thing happens

I leveled the heli sensors it will fly and hover great without fma co pilot
jerry

CoPilot II / MicroBeast wire up..

nightflyr — Sat, 12 May 2012 11:34:41 GMT

I've been getting quite a few messages concerning the wiring of the CPII and BeastX.
This setup does work if done correctly, but is very easy to mis-wire.

So to save some grief here is the wiring for a 120* CCPM AILGN using @ least a 7 channel Rx.

From your Rx to the CPII

RX AUX1 >>>>> CPII RCV3
RX ELEV >>>>> CPII RCV1
RX AILE >>>>>> CPII RCV2
------------------------------------------

BeastX ELE / DI1 >>>>> CPII SVO1
BeastX AIL / CHS >>>>> CPII SVO2
BeastX AUX / PIT ( RED lead) >>>>> CPII SVO3

The other 2 signal lines for tail gain and rudder are installed to the RX.

Hope this helps some of you.

kdslink.inf

rbk180 — Fri, 11 May 2012 02:12:59 GMT

Hi
I have moved from my blade sr to a hk500 cmt and the build is gooing great for my first heli build, but I got the flymentor 3d system and after 3 entire evenings of searching everthing on this site rc groups and internet I still can't figure out how to get the drver for helibal to load correctly. I got it to load but pory 9 and 10 errors appear. can anyone please help before my brain explodes:arggg:
heres the set up
hk500 cmt
turnigy 4s 3600mah
turnigy 85amp esc
turnigytgy 930 servos
turnigy 500 typhoon motor
dx6i, orange rx an sat.
13t pinion

what do the pitch and roll percentages mean

jerry1711 — Fri, 11 May 2012 00:38:16 GMT

this is a great forum

in the ir net router what do these pitch and roll percecentages
mean i notice they are not adjustable

and also when i move the heli nose down while holding it is the swashplate supposed to move in the opposite directtion if I put my hand in front of the sensor it moves is it supposed to move back to normal position when i remove my hand from the sensor

my first post here
jerry

KDS Flymentor - VERY HOT - Help Please

Bigrobbo — Wed, 09 May 2012 23:21:51 GMT

Hi

I am new to this hobby and this forum so please excuse my question if it appears very dumb.

I took delivery of my KDS Flymentor 3D systen today from an Ebay seller in Hong Kong.

I have 2 problems when trying to install this on my Blade 400 heli.

1 - When I have the system plugged into my Laptop and my Spektrum AR6100 receiver it gets really hot on the underside of the case. Is this normal ?

2 - NO matter what I try I cant get the Laptop to connect via the USB to Helipal. I only ever get the message "KDS Link line not found"

Any help would be much appreciated
Regards
Bigrobbo

Co-pilot II performance change. Is it the trees?

Crash2much — Wed, 09 May 2012 21:44:59 GMT

Hi all, I posted my first experience with the CP 2 here and as you can tell from my response, (http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=407953) it worked great out of the box. Today was my first time flying since then, I had to replace the swashplate on my Trex 500. There wasn't a crash but, one on the ball links was loose and had broken inside the swash when I tried to remove it.
So what changed? I replaced the swashplate with a new align. There is a little bit of play between the upper and lower plates on this new model. I don't think there was any play on the old one..I'll check later. A few ball links were very loose, too loose for comfort, so I swapped them out with new. I had standard align CF blades on my FBL head. I picked up a set of 3g CF blades to test the difference. If this is it I like the standard ones. That's what I flew with today. Also, since I flew, the leaves have filled in nicely at the park. I fly in an area the size of a football field surrounded by mature trees.
Now , to get to the way the CP 2 responded. I was kind of fighting it actually. Sometimes it would tend to drift forward, sometimes backward, right left etc. Other times it would level nicely. It changed with direction the heli was headed. It felt kind of unnerving at times. I'm flying with the switch off and auto at 6. It just seemed it took way to long to level when I would let go of the sticks.
The little bit of play in the swash might be undesirable however, I don't think that is it.
Do you think the trees filling in would do this? I'm flying in a large box.

Thanks

Fly mentor in southern Utah

Orangephoner — Tue, 08 May 2012 18:45:26 GMT

Hi
so i just recently got a fly mentor and the field box that programs it for my Blade SR. and i am struggling with it really bad. so i was just wondering if there is anyone in southern utah or close to southern utah that would be willing to help me work on and install it. i am willing to pay for your time. i have been really struggling with the sr and i thought the FM would be a good thing. and i know it will be but i just cant figure it out. so please reply here or PM me.
i would really appreciate it.
thank you
christian

HC3a what is a fair price used?

Goldenhour — Mon, 07 May 2012 14:44:39 GMT

I am selling my HC3a unit and was wondering what any of you think is a fair price for one used. In like new condition of course. If I buy any more "HC" units it will be the HC3sx from now on. Thanks

Flymentor Gain setting

seadog — Sun, 06 May 2012 12:54:23 GMT

Hi, i have just installed a flymentor onto my Trex 450 sport V2. First impressions are that it is really very good. Before i fitted it i felt i was going to crash every time i flew but now i feel much more relaxed and am enjoying flying and learning.
My question is regarding setting the balance gain. As i am using the original gyro i don't have a spare channel on my DX6i to control the balance gain from the TX. .I have set it to 65 using the PPC, as i understand it when i lift off the green LED is on (position mode) and when i get higher it switches to balance mode automatically, does this mean that i cant adjust the gain for position mode and balance mode separately? Hope this makes sense.
Thanks for any advice, cheers Philip

Beast x /CP2 side by side Just fits ! Logo 500se

n6nev — Sat, 05 May 2012 16:26:22 GMT

I just aquired a Logo 500 and the maiden flight with the Beast was great, now comes the insall of the CP2. As the frame of the logo is curved, the install is tight. So can I install the beast on top of the CP2 ? :confused: thanks Larry

Gryo HELP !!!!

kayakboy69 — Fri, 04 May 2012 15:58:55 GMT

Hey gang the more i fly my bird the more i find small tings i need to adress i had high speed tail wag after i adressed the head speed to low. So i moved the link in one hole on my servo arm.I also noticed when i built it up the first time i put the servo arm on the drivers side instead of the passenger side when i orriginaly set it up 450 pro

So when i moved the the servo horn 180 degrees of corse it now makes the radio futaba 8fgs backwards.When i set the radio rudder to reverse the gryo makes it spinn (ie the gryo is running backwards).

Is the FIX to reverse the GRYO and the RADIO ?

I changed the FM gryo to reverse but i just cant seem to get a handle on it.I want to make sure i have the radio and FM set back up befor i try to trim the linkage

hope im not to confusing

Thanks you Bob

Flight stabilizer needed?

mtp134 — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:14:35 GMT

Hi everyone, I am new to the hobby, I am planing on buying a T-rex 500, but first I will buy the phoenix simulator and practice t'ill i get it right.
I just learned there was flight stabilizer like Co-pilot 2, and I wanted to ask if you guys had one and if it is needed or advised?

Thank you guys

CP2 to mini V bar install

n6nev — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:18:04 GMT

I found the threads for cp2 to V bar, and have just aquired a logo 500se/ mini v bar and so begins the struggle, I was going to sell the v bar but now , no, the install will be a great task and more fun as I have nothing to do but build and fly,

Extreme shake with DJI Ace One/WooKong

bollefisken — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:40:57 GMT

When I start my helicopter it starts to shake VERY hard. I took of main blades and it still shakes like there's no tomorrow. When I reduce gyro gain, the shake disappears but it comes back when head speed is higher. I have chosen the correct servo type for my tail servo and the gyro compensates correct, so it seems like the IMU is the "problem". Any suggestions? Add more double sided tape under the IMU?

Tail wag and FM gryo

kayakboy69 — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:58:38 GMT

I have been ironing out BUGS on my exi 450p seems my head speed was to low and it was occleating.So now im using the simple GOV mode on my castle ice50lite and have set a 0-45-65-65-65 th on tx i have tried 70 and 75 percent curv as well

now im getting a good head speed but i have fast tail wag.

I take off and dail out the wag but it doesnt stop untill 2 clicks from RATE mode =52percent Even then i will get a shudder type wag if i hit the rudder and let off untill it catches back up.

when my head speed was not correct and my pitch curve was messed up the tail worked fine!

any ideas ?

thanks Bob

Quadro - Whats next

pril250 — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:44:06 GMT

Found that on the web. I wonder what kind of stabilization can counter a machine gun's blowback.

YouTube

Thanks Ivor.....

ticklegs — Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:38:15 GMT

baderunner4
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: corona, Ca
Default using GY401
if i use this gyro do i have to disconect and take out FM gyro or leave it there

Ivor Hill
Registered Users
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Plymouth devon UK

Default using GY401
You must still use the FM gyro,it contains the 3 gyro's used for stabilization,
but you disconnect the green and grey wires from the reciever and plug the GY401 in there place.
************************************************** *****************************************
I ran across this item from a while ago and I am doing this exact same thing, with the exception I mounted the GY 401 upside down so I could see the lights and switches on the gyro, is this acceptable to do. Thanks Ivor

:noteworthy

CP II vs SK720

SKYQUEST — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:23:30 GMT

Ok, I just read a little about the Skookum SK720. I had NO IDEA it had a built in self leveling feature. This is the only reason I use co pilot 2 on my current heli.

My question is, is the SK720 better if you are in need a FBL unit? (I like beastX.)
I need the emergency bail-out function. Skookum seems to make use of their gyro system instead on IR sensors...Hmmm. They also stated that a GPS unit is soon to come where-as it will not only self level, it will hold it's position.
That sounds way better than having a co pilot 2...puts everything in one package. Otherwise, I have to use a beastX, Rx and the CP2 to have a FBL w/ a bail out function.

Basically, it sounds exactly like a co pilot 2 + rx + FBL unit are all in one. That sounds fantastic!
Anyone use an SK720 and have any input on this?

Wookong H setup help?

bollefisken — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:38:41 GMT

I have to give up on this one... I totally don't get how to measure distance between C.G and IMU/GPS on Y, X or Z axle, OR how it should be balanced. I pretty much don't get anything of what's written @ page 11 in the manual. If you can help me I'll buy you a beer in heaven... :cheers

Here is a picture of the page in the manual: http://nnlp.no/wookong.jpg

I might have more questions too about this Wookong, so if you don't mind I'll ask as I go forward...

FM blue cable connected, FM gain Tx

bungie — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 04:12:06 GMT

I have a Tx that has no 3 stage AUX switches, only two's.

I want to plug in the blue wire and set FM gain from the Tx,but there are warnings all over not to do it unless you know what you are doing. Well I dont so I thought I would ask :)

1) Is the gain on the Helibal and the Tx proprotonal ?? 70% on helibal to 70% on the Tx?

2) With only two points on the switch, and being a noobie, should I have
(a) positioning mode and FM off
(b) positioning mode and balancing mode
(c) balancing mode and FM off

flight stabilization by 3 gyro, is that possible?

snow520lee — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:31:57 GMT

Hi Freaks,

I have a question bother me from a while, and i hope here someone could give me some answers.... (i know you'll do!)... :thumbup:

I'm not a very good pilot yet, still making hovering and some simple manouvres, but i love build up my helis.

I was wondering if it might be possible and make any sense to install two additional Gyro on the heli for auto stabilize the airelon and elevator.

I think it will help to avoid drifting, and move in a specific direction only with stick input....

(if I've understood correctly, it will be pretty much as a flybarless system, isn't it?)

If yes, do you think it will work also if i remove the paddles and flybar?
This system will consume more power than a kit produced by some company for flight stabilization, but my question is just: "will it work??"

Thanks in advance for any reply....

Happy flights!!!!!

Marco

I just installed my Co-pilot II and...

Crash2much — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:05:38 GMT

I can fly! I can fly!! Now I got that out the way, Co-Pilot II is great! Today is the first day that I really flew. I can fly ok but whenever I'd push it, I would end up in a crash (maybe I can't fly :oops:). My flying changed more to more of a crash prevention than a productive lesson.

A while back, I met this very friendly pilot at a club that I'm thinking about joining. His heli was a Trex 700 fbl nitro, a beautiful machine no doubt. We spoke about getting into the hobby, learning and crashing and so on. I asked him how many crashes he had with his heli? His response was "none". Then he showed me why, it was the Co-Pilot system. He asked me what does an average crash cost me on my 450? I told him and he replied, "well for the cost of a couple of crash repairs you can own a co-pilot". He described the system as having an instructor flick the switch and kind of take over when in trouble.

A couple weeks ago I purchased very nice Trex 500 fbl and have since upgraded the whole tail to TT and also added metal grips etc. The same day I also ordered a Co-Pilot II combo 2. I shelled out a lot of money for my new heli and I hate crashes like everyone else. Why should the result of an error be a smashed heli? I want to flick the switch and try again. I feel that crashes impede the learning process.

Today I actually flew like on the sim for the first time, with a little help of course.:thumbup:

FM Gyro setting DX6I

Gopher7 — Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:32:37 GMT

Does the Gyro setting have to be set to INH on the transmitter if using the FM gyro?

Thank you !!

FM Gyro position

bungie — Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:24:16 GMT

I don't want to remove existing electronics on my Trex 450. So, can I place the FM gyro upside down under the main frame, or should it really be the right way up?