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Old 05-07-2012, 09:33 PM   #1
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I am kind of confuse... I just got a new helijive because everyone said that is the best governor mode. But know they tell me that I should use the VBAR governor because is better?? Can you guys that have use this setup tell me what should I do?
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Old 05-07-2012, 09:45 PM   #2
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Just use the kontronik gov!!! Set your flat curves according to you math, that im sure you have done. To get you headspeed perfecto....voila!!!! Best gov yet!!!!! All aside, vbar gov works great! I think the kontronic is just as good. Easier to set up. Why even bother with the vbar gov if you have a kontronic?

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Old 05-08-2012, 06:05 AM   #3
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I agree when you have jive use the internal gov, vbar gov is for el cheapos like fusionhawk, hobbywing etc. I use both and in true honesty prefer the jive, less overspeed easier setup less hassle. Just make sure you have enough headroom on jive and you'll be a happy chappy! Don't always believe everything people say, try for yourself and reach your own conclusion, the placebo effect, hype, brand loyalty etc has some magical properties.......
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Old 05-08-2012, 06:57 AM   #4
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Do not try with a 4525LE motor (your tagline), only combo I can say for certain is dangerous for the ESC.

I'm opposite to Stolla, I rather take Vbar governor regardless of ESC every day, much smoother (and I datalog EVERY flight with high speed loggers )

But when you overgear, and run more powerful motors the difference becomes small, at the cost of flighttime, if you r willing to pay that price, I guess it works, but you will get the tailkick for free.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:51 PM   #5
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That's the main reason I want to try a FBL gov - to get better tail performance under high collective pitch situations.

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Old 05-09-2012, 10:42 PM   #6
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Do not try with a 4525LE motor (your tagline), only combo I can say for certain is dangerous for the ESC.

I'm opposite to Stolla, I rather take Vbar governor regardless of ESC every day, much smoother (and I datalog EVERY flight with high speed loggers )

But when you overgear, and run more powerful motors the difference becomes small, at the cost of flighttime, if you r willing to pay that price, I guess it works, but you will get the tailkick for free.

So MrMel do you then recommend me to use the the Vbar as the governor controller for my helijive and the 4525?
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:05 PM   #7
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Depends what you're after. If you're just going to fly sport and mild 3D, I'd recommend you use the Jive's internal gov. It's simpler to setup and it just works. If however you want to fly hard 3D, then it's worth it to setup the FBL gov.
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:39 PM   #8
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Stolla, you seem to be knowledgeable on mode 6.

I've set my helijive to mode 6, and lowered that p-point thingy value from 50% to 40% with the progdisk. My TX throttle figures for governing are between 39% and 49%

I have two questions.

Is what I have done correct?

And, what is that vernier figure that appears when setting the P-Value? - I set it at +/- 0%
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Old 05-13-2012, 04:35 AM   #9
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Stolla, you seem to be knowledgeable on mode 6.

I've set my helijive to mode 6, and lowered that p-point thingy value from 50% to 40% with the progdisk. My TX throttle figures for governing are between 39% and 49%

I have two questions.

Is what I have done correct?

And, what is that vernier figure that appears when setting the P-Value? - I set it at +/- 0%
I did not change anything on p and I just running default mode 6, why did you feel the need to change p value?
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Old 05-13-2012, 04:41 AM   #10
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I did not change anything on p and I just running default mode 6, why did you feel the need to change p value?
From what I could figure out from the terrible instruction manual, this P-value has to be set lower if you are using lower RPM values.

Now it doesn't specify what 'lower' RPM values are - which is not very nice of them...

From the manual -

'To realize a smoother RPM control at lower RPM, the P- value [Default 50%] of the ESC is reduced below the point X (adjustable via PROGDISC).'
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it can be adjusted if you feel the need but default is already adjusted for low rpm so set it back to default, you'll be ok running under 50% no problem
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Old 05-13-2012, 04:51 AM   #12
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Thank you Stolla. I will do that then...

Is there anything else I should know about mode 6?

I'm running it with a Pyro 700-52.
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:47 AM   #13
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Shouldn't be a problem then. I'm not planning to use high headspeeds.

I've also set the helijive spool up time to 16 or 20 seconds - This for the TDR. Would that be OK?
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:05 AM   #14
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sure! Too slow maybe
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:14 AM   #15
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sure! Too slow maybe
What's the ideal spool up-time without having the tail swing out on the ground?

I only ask because I can clearly hear two quick-sounding speed changes in this spool up - Wouldn't want a faster setting to make the heli spin.
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Old 05-13-2012, 11:05 PM   #16
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Don't worry it won't spin at default, however there is a jump in mode 6 on spoolup, nothing to be concerned about, it's normal and won't spin heli around.
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