How to assign Gyro Sens Switch DX7 ??

[alf_flash]

Hello, i have just switched to a Dx7, but i cant assign the correct switch for switching between rate and avcs mode.

It seems the only option in the dx7 is to use Auto (which i dont like) and Rudder Dual Rate...

I dont want to use Rudder DR for the gyro sens because i have already assign rudder dr and hold in that same switch...

How can i use the gear switch ????

God Bless
Alf

[Bob O]

You cannot use the Gear switch and Gyro Sense at the same time. If you want to use the Gear switch, you're stuck using gear channel endpoints. In order to use the gear switch, in the power-on menu you would set GEAR to GEAR instead of GEAR to GYRO. Once you set it up that way, the gyro sense screen will be gone.

Let us know if you need any more help with this.

[75scoutII]

Don't forget you can set more than just the rudder dual rate switch in gyro sense auto mode, you can use the flight mode switch to tie to a gyro mode setting (0/1 for each flight mode).

For endpoints you don't have to use the GEAR switch either, you can also use the AUX2 switch, but you need a 7 channel RX.

[alf_flash]

Thank you for your answers... But i made a mistake trying to explain myself...

My problem is that i dont want to use Rudder DR for switching between gyro modes... I want to use the gear switch to change Rate and AVCS, is this possible ???

If not how do i use the Auto function ?

Thank you All

[Bob O]

I thought you were clear the first time.

If you want to use the gear switch to toggle between Rate and HH mode, then go into the power-on menu (depress and hold Scroll Down and Select buttons while you turn the transmitter on). See page 78 of the factory manual. Set GEAR to GEAR.

Then depress the same buttons to go into the regular menu, and navigate to the Travel Adjust screen, page 89 of the manual. The plus (+) side of the Gear channel will control HH gain, while the negative (-) side will control Rate gain. You can start by setting each value to 50%.

Now when you toggle the gear switch, you will be going back and forth between Rate and HH modes. (the gyro's signal wire must be plugged into the receiver's gear channel)

If you want to use the Auto Function in Gyro Sense, which I like the best, you have to set GEAR to GYRO in the power-on menu. Then you will not touch gear channel endpoints, rather you will do everything in the Gyro Sense screen. As you said before, you have choices of Auto and Rudder D/R, set it to Auto. There are two sides of this screen, the left side which has position 0 and 1. You will need to assign gain values to those positions. The beauty of this is BOTH values can be HH values. Set position 0 for 75% and position 1 for 70%. Now the right side of the screen you will set which of those positions you want for which flight modes. You have choices of Normal, Stunt, and Hold. Use the higher gain position for Normal and Hold, and the lower gain position for Stunt.

All this does is get's you set up in the radio. You might have to adjust the gain values once you get the heli in the air and can evaluate the gyro/ tail performance. Hope this helps.

[DerClown]

I have also troubles about that damn GYRO sens switch. For me is okay to use RUDDER D/R switch for Gyro sens, but when it's assigned like that I can not use AUX2 switch for THRO HOLD, since somehow AUX2 and RUDDER switches are mixed between each other, and when I hit Thro hold, the Gyro sens changes I did every setup is possible with those AUX2 and GEAR channel in the System List, but nothing have helped.
Any Ideas ?
And how do you fly your electric helies with DX7 ? I mean, which switches does what ?
Thanx.

[Bob O]

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I always used Gyro Sense when I had my DX-7. And initially I had my throttle hold switch assigned to Aux 2 (airplane version) but then moved it to the Elev D/R switch.

Maybe try to set AUX 2 to AUX 2 in the power on menu and then see if you're able to assign that switch for throttle hold.

[DerClown]

Nope, doesn't work.
I guess I'll stick to Thro Hold assigned to Gear switch and Gyro sense to Rudder switch.
Anyway, thanks for help.

[75scoutII]

Uh, it does too work.

On the input select screen, set AUX2 to AUX2, and GEAR to GYRO if you want to use gyro sense.

Then on the throttle hold menu, set the switch to AUX2. Then flip the AUX2 switch, and watch in the upper right corner of the throttle hold menu, it'll flip from OFF to ON.

Jason.

[DerClown]

Originally Posted by 75scoutII

Uh, it does too work.

On the input select screen, set AUX2 to AUX2, and GEAR to GYRO if you want to use gyro sense.

Then on the throttle hold menu, set the switch to AUX2. Then flip the AUX2 switch, and watch in the upper right corner of the throttle hold menu, it'll flip from OFF to ON.

Jason.

Yes it will, but also it will change the Gyro Sens.

[75scoutII]

Nope, the AUX2 will control the throttle hold, the rudder dual rate (upper right) switch will control the gyro sense.

Set it up correctly and try again, go to the monitor screen, watch the throttle channel, and the gear channel. Works perfectly.

By the way, for this setup the gyro needs to be plugged into the GEAR channel on the RX, so the only way for it to NOT work is either you have the gyro in the AUX2 channel or you've got some goofy mix turned on.

Jason.

[DerClown]

Okay, I did like this:
On input screen:
AUX2 to AUX2 channel
Gear to Gyro.
Gyro is pluged to Gear, since I'm using the Ar6200 and there is no AUX2 channel.

Function screen:
THRO HOLD is set to AUX2.
Gyro Sens is set to Rudder D/R switch (Rates is set to 32% and 72%).

On the monitor when I switch AUX2 from 0 to 1 Throttle curve changes to Hold mode, Gear changes AND AUX2 changes.
When this AUX2 switch is switched to 1 position, RUDDER switch does nothing.
When AUX2 switch is in the 0 position, RUDDER switch works, so when I hit rudder switch from 0 to 1 it does the same stuff as AUX2 switch (Controls the Thro, Gear and AUX2)

What I'm I doing wrong ?

[75scoutII]

Good question.

Check to make sure all the programmable mixes are turned off.

Go to a new model location, and do a quick setup and test.

Jason.

[Plastic]

Originally Posted by DerClown

Okay, I did like this:
On input screen:
AUX2 to AUX2 channel
Gear to Gyro.
Gyro is pluged to Gear, since I'm using the Ar6200 and there is no AUX2 channel.

Im kind of a noob with the dx7 but this is how I have it but gyro is now set to the gear switch. Or am I wrong.

Originally Posted by DerClown

Function screen:
THRO HOLD is set to AUX2.
Gyro Sens is set to Rudder D/R switch (Rates is set to 32% and 72%).

He's tryng to use the Rudder D/R switch when the gyro is set to gear switch. As I said, I'm a noob to so I might be doing it wrong and would like to know.

I'm using a DX7 Heli MD2

[75scoutII]

Originally Posted by Plastic

Im kind of a noob with the dx7 but this is how I have it but gyro is now set to the gear switch. Or am I wrong.

He's tryng to use the Rudder D/R switch when the gyro is set to gear switch. As I said, I'm a noob to so I might be doing it wrong and would like to know.

I'm using a DX7 Heli MD2

Well, the input select menu (gear to gryo, or aux2 to gyro) does not utilize the gear or aux2 switches. It only uses those channels on the RX. Setting either of those to gyro, just turns on the "gyro sense" menu in the radio.

Now using the gyro sense mode, only has 2 options of switches to use:

Auto, which allows for setting one of two gyro gains, for each of the 3 modes(4 modes if you have throttle hold turn on).

Or manual, which uses the rudder D/R switch to switch between gain settings.



Using the gear or aux2 "switches" can only work if set to gear to gear, aux2 to aux2, that automaticly means no gyro sense menu, and thus you have to use endpoints.

Jason.

[Bob O]

Good explanation, scout!

[dobent4]

I know its an older thread, but I'd been struggling with the same subject.
While new to collective pitch helis I've been in r/c 20 some years, I'm not unfamiliar with computer radios.
It's true the DX7 is a cut above the DX6 in fit and finish and in (somewhat) capabilities, and its performance is fine. As far as intuitiveness in programing it , well, sucks.
Actually its the sorriest computer radio I've ever owned as far as programming it goes, and the owners manual, and I'm an owners manual reader, is a solid pathetic.
Honestly I can't wait to get rid of it.
I don't know what I'll get, I just know it wouldn't be a DX7 and I wouldnt recommend it. I'll consider the DX8 and see how its progamming is. This whole gyro assignment deal exposes some really non-sensical thinking, making me wonder did JR have the alcoholic programmers on this job or what ? Who's the drug addict who dreamed up the absurd 'system ' for selecting between models ? Come on.
It's not high tech, its not sophisticated, it's, well...stupid.
I'm also a fan of Horizon and their products, customer service, support, etc.,etc. but this radio in my opinion is pretty sorry programming wise. Doug

[Bob O]

Originally Posted by dobent4

I know its an older thread, but I'd been struggling with the same subject.
While new to collective pitch helis I've been in r/c 20 some years, I'm not unfamiliar with computer radios.
It's true the DX7 is a cut above the DX6 in fit and finish and in (somewhat) capabilities, and its performance is fine. As far as intuitiveness in programing it , well, sucks.
Actually its the sorriest computer radio I've ever owned as far as programming it goes, and the owners manual, and I'm an owners manual reader, is a solid pathetic.
Honestly I can't wait to get rid of it.
I don't know what I'll get, I just know it wouldn't be a DX7 and I wouldnt recommend it. I'll consider the DX8 and see how its progamming is. This whole gyro assignment deal exposes some really non-sensical thinking, making me wonder did JR have the alcoholic programmers on this job or what ? Who's the drug addict who dreamed up the absurd 'system ' for selecting between models ? Come on.
It's not high tech, its not sophisticated, it's, well...stupid.
I'm also a fan of Horizon and their products, customer service, support, etc.,etc. but this radio in my opinion is pretty sorry programming wise. Doug

Wow, the DX-7 has got to be one of the most widely used transmitters out there. I never had a problem with mine. Pro pilots are using it successfully and presumably without any problems. To call the programmers alcoholics and drug addicts doesn't exactly reflect well on your opinion. Oh well.

[dobent4]

Bob ?
I never said it was junk. Note there were no statements condeming it's performance, and it's fit and finish were praised. I'm an out and out fan of JR,Spektrum, and Horizon Hobbies in general ,own thousands of dollars of their stuff.and clearly stated that.
There's not another radio I've seen of current vintage with as many posts by folks confused by it's clumsy programming, at least not that I've seen. Have you ?
I'd love to read about some justification of its absurd 'select a new model' function , not to mention the stupendously disorganized gyro assignment method. Also , for someone new to computer radios trying to learn it by hit and miss I've yet to see a computer radio where it would be so easy to inadvertently dump all the set-up on a particular model back to 'data reset' and I don't think you have either.
The drug addicts and alcoholics references were humour. If that is not their problem what the heck is left to describe these thought processes ? The ones to make something overly complicated that other companies,heck,other products in their own line including less expensive ones have managed to do a much better job on?
My jab at whoever made the choices of "hey, lets program it like this"?
Like I said, it was humour. If you feel, in some politically correct spasm,

that doesn't exactly reflect well on your opinion.

.
Well, do understand I don't give a third of a fifth.
Doug

[Bob O]

Originally Posted by dobent4

Bob ?
I never said it was junk. Note there were no statements condeming it's performance, and it's fit and finish were praised. I'm an out and out fan of JR,Spektrum, and Horizon Hobbies in general ,own thousands of dollars of their stuff.and clearly stated that.
There's not another radio I've seen of current vintage with as many posts by folks confused by it's clumsy programming, at least not that I've seen. Have you ?
I'd love to read about some justification of its absurd 'select a new model' function , not to mention the stupendously disorganized gyro assignment method. Also , for someone new to computer radios trying to learn it by hit and miss I've yet to see a computer radio where it would be so easy to inadvertently dump all the set-up on a particular model back to 'data reset' and I don't think you have either.
The drug addicts and alcoholics references were humour. If that is not their problem what the heck is left to describe these thought processes ? The ones to make something overly complicated that other companies,heck,other products in their own line including less expensive ones have managed to do a much better job on?
My jab at whoever made the choices of "hey, lets program it like this"?
Like I said, it was humour. If you feel, in some politically correct spasm, .
Well, do understand I don't give a third of a fifth.
Doug

Doug,

Rather than derail this thread even further, please continue your rant in a separate thread. Thank you.