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Old 08-10-2011, 11:11 AM   #1441
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after following this thread, have a couple of questions

What main gear? I've seen KDE mentioned but have not found one

What Pinion? looking for 2100 HS with mild 3d, mostly aerobatics (loops rolls flips, etc)

Motor is the 4025-630 5mm shaft, prolly Hyperion for the better bearings

Turnigy 70A ESC,

Mini - V (hoping for the governor upgrade)

receiver flight battery with a Perfect Reg

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Any other suggestions would be appreciated

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Old 08-10-2011, 11:53 AM   #1442
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after following this thread, have a couple of questions

What main gear? I've seen KDE mentioned but have not found one

What Pinion? looking for 2100 HS with mild 3d, mostly aerobatics (loops rolls flips, etc)

Motor is the 4025-630 5mm shaft, prolly Hyperion for the better bearings

Turnigy 70A ESC,

Mini - V (hoping for the governor upgrade)

receiver flight battery with a Perfect Reg

3000mah 45c batts

Any other suggestions would be appreciated

Ron

Hi Ron,

I now have several hundred flights (approaching 500) on my 12s setup. I'm actually on my second scorpion motor due to the bearing failure. However, you can fix this easily by getting the Boca Bearings (as I did on this second motor).

I'm not sure about the 70A ESC... that may be a bit small for this bird. I fly mine with a CC 110A ESC, but I think the 85A ESC will work as well... 70 might be pushing it.

On that motor, you could go for an 11T or 12T pinion and tach it. I fly mine with a 13T pinion and it perfoms great. My packs are really tired now, so I only push them to 5min, but did get awesome 6min flights when they were newer.

I'm not a fan of receiver packs, as its just one more pack I have to charge and keep track of. I use the Western Robotics Hercules SuperBEC. Its rated for 14s and it has never failed. Comes down cool to the touch and powers everything beautifully. No need for any other packs or regulators. I know this is a personal preference thing...

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Also, due to the additional torque of a 12s, I would highly recommend the 3rd bearing mod.


Feel free to PM me with any questions! Good luck and welcome to the 12s club.
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:20 PM   #1443
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I believe I have a lower bearing - this is a very old kit, and it has two bearings above the main gear, and one below. Is this what you are talking about?

Are you running stock main gear? - looks like it . .

I will run the 70A esc until I get the ICE 80HV that i'm getting to replace the HV85 that I sent in - the HV85 is no longer available :-(

I really don't push it, I like smooth aerobatics, with not much smack

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Old 08-10-2011, 12:26 PM   #1444
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Yes, stock gear, although it did cause me one of my 3 crashes with this heli, when I stripped it mid tic-toc. BTW, even if you don't do "much smack", you can still easily overwhelm the ESC doing something as basic as a big collective loop.

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Old 08-16-2011, 03:33 PM   #1445
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Hey, if anyone needs a 12s power system for a build, please consider this one:

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=331319

I was saving these for another 12s, but truth is that I just can't afford another heli right now.
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:48 PM   #1446
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Hi Guys I am trying to get a felling for what my 12s 600 is worth. It has about 300 flights on it now but still flyies perfect I keep very good care of it and have had only 1 crash with it in all that time. It has Castle HV85, Bec Pro, Scorpion 630, Mikado V Bar 4.0, RJX head that i Just put new dampers in and regreased bearings and everything else is stock. I have 4 sets of Turnigy batteries that are getting old but still fly and ballance fine that go with it pluse a bunch of spare parts I never used.

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Old 08-25-2011, 09:17 PM   #1447
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Anyone using the new 600MX motor in the original 600e? Thinking of using this motor and CC 80HV esc in my 600e.
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Old 09-19-2011, 10:01 AM   #1448
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Thanks guys for all of the incredible info in this thread! I was one of the first guys doing 6s in the 450 venue and the power and flight times are incredible. I had Dan at go brushless hand wind a 2221-2010 scorp and it is a gear stripping monster that gives me continuous 7 to 8min flights no matter what I seem to do on my modded custom cut CF bodied B400. My 6s trex isn't bad either but the 2 bearing main and flimsy body aren't real impressive.

I recently picked up this 600esp that is already 3 bearing modded and it is my plan to 12s the beast. It is my fall/winter project.
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=337741
I have already upgraded the body plate, servo trays, and batt tray to aluminum. What is your opinion on stiffening up the body further, and which canopy mounts really work?
I have 3 new canopies for spares and such.

Plus, what tail mod works to perfect the rear grips? I see the grip mod in the original setup thread here but am unsure?


I am sitting on a Skookum-720 that is going into this so the use of the castle cremations escs or the kontronix is nil since they will not run with the Skookum gov.So my plans are to try the Hobbywing/Turnigy 120hv, the HV Turnigy cyclics, and MKS built tail servo as a start.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idproduct=8921
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idproduct=9983
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idproduct=9980


So my questions are fivefold in nature. Will these servos work? I am mainly going for parkflying right now and am not interested in the highest performance 12s setup out there for 2700 headspeeds that are now becoming popular. I figured with the hv servos I can run them at 7.4 volts using a separate pack and step down the voltage for the tail somehow. Or would you guys just recommend that I run the same voltage servos all around and use a Bec? And then, batteries. What is working?

Also what motor config will meet my needs somewhat affordably?


Sorry for all the newbie questions, this is my first real 600 build. I started on another 600 but it was flybarred so I sold it and went Fbl with this one. And last year I purchased a modded 12s 700 but got burned on the deal. So here I am.



I was on the cutting edge in the 450 world, spent a ton of cash learning and overmodding everything. Now I prefer to listen to what you guys tell me since it has all been done already. My credit card and me already thank you!
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:03 AM   #1449
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Hi Randy, and welcome to the 12s crazyness! I now have over 550 flights on my 12s and just couldn't be happier with it. It is my main go-to heli and it performs admirably. I have it setup so that I can throw lots of hard 3D at it and still be gentle to the packs. My setup is similar to the OP in this thread, but I decided to go for the WR Hercules Super BEC. It is rated for 14s and has been perfect. Dead simple to setup with just a dip switch to set the voltage. Never comes down warm.

Also, if you go for the WR BEC or any other BEC capable of high amps, then do yourself a favor and go for a 7 or 8 ch. receiver. This makes it simple to add the dual power leads from the BEC to the receiver without having to add any Y connectors.

I run a 14T pinion on my Scorpion 4025-630 motor. I use a flat throttle curve of 90% and achieve 5 - 6 min flights (depending on how hard I bang on it) and never take out more than 70% of the packs. Packs come down warm, but not hot. Motor is also warm. Head speed is around 2200RPM.

I use the Voltz 3300mAh 35C packs and two of them give me perfect CoG. If you go for DS610s and a DS650 on the tail, then you can run the whole thing on 6volts and forget the step-down. You would also not need a flight pack... since the BEC is powering up all your electronics.

As for the frame stiffening, I did the 3rd bearing mod, but the rest of the frame is stock...never an issue. I did add the KDE tail upgrade to the tail. Tail holds perfectly, even on fast backwards hurricanes.

Best of luck!
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Old 09-19-2011, 01:01 PM   #1450
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Thanks Carlos! My Skookum can run all the channels I need and acts as a center Rx with sats. I am running two DX7s with my fleet so I am covered there also.

Running all the servos on one voltage makes sense. I just don't want to look back quality wise with them and simply cannot afford any mistakes. You telling me which batt packs work and balance the heli helps greatly! I was a little worried about another batt pack for the electronics hanging on the heli, and the preponderance of Esc CC failures only left me with a few esc options. Even the CC Ice50s I currently use had to be seriously modded to work to my satisfaction. The Caps had to be replaced, things had to be properly soldered, and the heat sync compound they use is pure garbage. I ended up using what is a standard in high heat transfer electronics. Arctic silver. So after seeing the horrific quality of CCHV esc quality standards I won't touch one. And I cannot afford the Kontronics.

I am sold on the 12s! Cannot wait! Thanks for your quick reply.
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Old 09-26-2011, 05:39 AM   #1451
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Anyone using the new 600MX motor in the original 600e? Thinking of using this motor and CC 80HV esc in my 600e.
I just ordered one, the 5mm shaft version 4025-630 I have works great but I am moving to MOD1 gearing as I started flying more aggressively.
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:56 PM   #1452
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Excellent thread!
I finally received all parts to go on 12s!
Only that my Scorpio 4025-630 arrived with 6mm shaft, so i must wait for new pinion...
Can i put 16T pinion, meanwhile?
I can't wait to try it, but i'm not sure that's good idea?
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Old 10-03-2011, 11:25 AM   #1453
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Well, after 1 month of reading this excellent thread and 1 month waiting for all parts needed, i'm finally completed my 12s heli.
On spool up my brand new ESC Phoenix Ice HV 80 simply burn out!
My setup is (was) the original setup as posted by Reccleston.
Anybody have any idea what happened?
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Old 10-03-2011, 11:29 AM   #1454
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Well, after 1 month of reading this excellent thread and 1 month waiting for all parts needed, i'm finally completed my 12s heli.
On spool up my brand new ESC Phoenix Ice HV 80 simply burn out!
My setup is (was) the original setup as posted by Reccleston.
Anybody have any idea what happened?
Oh man, that's horrible! I've read so many stories like yours. Was your ESC part of the CC recall? Seems like its happening a lot with HV ESCs from Castle. Just take a look at the 700 forum and you'll see many similar accounts. Now, the only thing that's different is that most of the time, I've read this happens when you plug in the flight pack, not on spool up... but still, that SUCKS big time. Hope you get her back in the air soon!

I've been using an old but trusty CC110HV ESC on my heli now for two years and its worked out great... this is before the "new generation" of flatter more compact ESCs. Who knows, perhaps they sacrificed function for form in the new ESCs.
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Hey guys, First of all I would like to thank Rceccleston for such a GREAT thread that has tought me tons about a 12s setup. I have also got just about everything I need to go 12s. This will be my first 12s system and I can't wait. I have the CC ICE 2 HV80, Scorpion 4025-550kv. Should I go with the CC BEC PRO? If so how should I wire it? What pinion should I use I've been reading and it seems the 12 tooth is the best but I have to order one as well as my motor is also a 6mm shaft! So I guess I'll have to get a 6mm pinion. Can't wait to get this beast in the air!!!
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Old 12-25-2011, 08:26 PM   #1456
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I use the BEC pro and have no problems. I wire it to a single battery (6s). That has a couple advatages. First the BEC is reliable and able to deliver more current on 6s. Second, you can plug it in with out plugging in the ESC, which is nice for setting things up with out having to worry about accidentally spinning up the motor.

About the pinion. That is personal preference. If you are a hard core 3d flyer, you will probably want something bigger than 12t. But for general sports flying, flips loops rolls, etc. The 12s works fine. It is just not going to be the smokin' high head speed that today's bangin' 3D machines deliver.

One quick tip. When running 12s on the stock gears, you have to be careful about stripping. Make sure your mesh is pretty tight
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Old 12-26-2011, 06:58 AM   #1457
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Great reply jlharv! I think I will go with the BEC PRO then! I'm not going to be doing any Major 3D So I think the 12 tooth will be good enough for now I'm going to order the 13-14 tooth as well anyway. So is it the higher the pinion the higher the head speed? Also is there another main gear I could use to help stop the chances of stripping? Thank you for your input it's greatly appreciated.
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Old 12-26-2011, 07:03 AM   #1458
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I recommend the Kde hub and a mod 1 mail gear and pinion
Then also 6mm motor axle for sure.

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What is the mod 1 main gear? I have a 6mm shaft on my Scorpion 4025-550KV So I'll have to get a new pinion 6mm. Are you talking about the one way bearing for the main gear?
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:05 AM   #1460
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Well original is 0.7 mod and could strip.
Mod 1 is "beefier" and is easier to set meshing right.
Sorry I'm away from Home just have my cell. Search for the Kde hub, it
Is made for 550/600 and uses Trex 7oo maingear, but with the same bearing as you have now.

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