What nitro bird. are they "under powered"

Bodge · 05-09-2012, 06:35 AM

Ive got a mcpx and 450. Im after a X5 soon and would really like a X7.

But ive found myself wanting a nitro bird for the long flight times and just the coolness of a IC engine. Probaly keep it with a flybar as well.

Say I own a 450 550 and 700 size electric what would be a good side nitro bird?

and are they really that under powered?

rcflier1 · 05-09-2012, 07:05 AM

get a 50 size, imo.properly set up, no way are they underpowered, and the flight times are longer. my x50 with a ys56 has all the power i could want,

ualdrivr · 05-09-2012, 07:14 AM

My first Nitro was the 700 and have never regretted owning it. IMO, Nitros are real machines and there's no way I would characterize a 90 size Nitro powered Heli underpowered

dankcincy · 05-09-2012, 08:40 AM

How bout you see if you someone will let you fly one of their nitro byrds so that you can see for yourself. What one person thinks of as plenty of power another might consider sluggish.

deca · 05-09-2012, 09:13 AM

My only experience with nitro helis are a friends 600n and Hirobo Evo. The Evo definitely felt underpowered (still for nice for sport), the 600n felt lively enough but still a little weaker than any electric I've flown.

koppterx · 05-09-2012, 09:21 AM

>>My first Nitro was the 700 and have never regretted owning it. IMO, Nitros are real machines and there's no way I would characterize a 90 size Nitro powered Heli underpowered>>

700N x 2, bigger flies better. period.

drdispatch · 05-09-2012, 09:31 AM

I just received my first nitro kit, the Synergy N5c, and am thrilled with the quality of the kit.

It's a 50 (600) and seems light.

http://youtu.be/JS9-ytf5OwU

Looks to have plenty of power to me.

bloftin · 05-09-2012, 10:16 AM

I wouldn't say .50 or .90 size nitro birds are underpowered. But your elevation plays a big part: if your flying @ 5000' above sea level, and the only experiance you have is e-power, the nitro will defanantly feel "softer". But hey if your at sea level... Well that levels the playing field:-)

I still enjoy my flybared nitro birds, it's great to have choices, if you have the itch for nitro I say scratch it! And if you've already been flying a 700e, jump into a .90 :-) Trex 700N maybe...

CeeveeSiN · 05-09-2012, 10:27 AM

A well tuned modern nitro engine makes very good power especially at sea level.

the 55/56 and 120/105 and even the older YS91 SR 3DS are all putting out a ton of power.
and when tuned well are plenty to drop a crowds jaw on the ground..

Cailid · 05-09-2012, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bodge

and are they really that under powered?

Maybe just a wee bit underpowered.

YouTube

seanh · 05-09-2012, 11:19 AM

yes, the nitro birds are under powered but only if you compared an over-powered E-machine.

If you have a half decent tuned nitro engine you can still have a lot of fun. Unless you're flying hard smackdown the difference between the average electric setup and nitro setup is minimal.

Remember no one was complaining about power of nitros until a few years ago when people were shoving 12s power and ultra high Kw motors.

I got my first nitro bird about 3 years ago. My electrics have been on a shelf ever since.

EricW · 05-09-2012, 11:40 AM

I fly both.
And when you log the amount of used power and the duration..
You'll see that a lot of the extra E-power is only delivered in very short peaks.
And the average consumed power is even lower as what a modern 90 ic engine delivers.
The most you will notice the difference is in long speed runs, and short bursts.
Electric motors deliver more immediate torque and can hold that torque very well.

That all said,
A nitro engine can be used as a part of the flying, a instrument to play with together with the blades.
The nitro feel...
Something I personally seriously miss in electric powered helis.
More static and forced to fly smooth.

I'll always be flying nitro Heli's

lowflyer101 · 05-09-2012, 11:49 AM

My k3d with ys 56. Got ton of power ,, better flight time tooo, compare to e in class,,, i enjoy fly it as much as my outrage 50 12s ,,, anh 700 e

Superior · 05-09-2012, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cailid

Maybe just a wee bit underpowered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1AYz...layer_embedded

Under powered my foot I wish my raptor50 had that much power

desertstalker · 05-09-2012, 08:02 PM

They are less powerful than electric no doubt, but a nitro still has more power than 90% of pliots know what to do with...

AFAIK a nitro tops out around 4HP ~3kW where electrics are capable of 5kW with bursts up towards 10, if course if you do pull 5kW for any length of time you get 2min flights (and very short lived packs)...

pete best · 05-09-2012, 09:00 PM

I love my nitros. T-rex 600's are fairly cheap to buy a good quality used one right now. You can get a good deal on parts too. Throw a OS 55 hyper or a YS 56 in it and you will be in love. They are quite a bit cheaper on fuel then the 90 class helis. There is something about a 700 that really gets your heart pounding with all the noise and smoke added in

. I just picked up a compass 3d+ and it is substantially lighter then my t-rex's. I can't wait to get it in the air and see how it feels.

Go for it, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Welcome to the dark side...

Cailid · 05-09-2012, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superior

Under powered my foot I wish my raptor50 had that much power

I guess my adding the smiley at the end to let people know I was kidding didn't work.

05-09-2012, 06:35 AM	#1
Bodge Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: England	What nitro bird. are they "under powered" Ive got a mcpx and 450. Im after a X5 soon and would really like a X7. But ive found myself wanting a nitro bird for the long flight times and just the coolness of a IC engine. Probaly keep it with a flybar as well. Say I own a 450 550 and 700 size electric what would be a good side nitro bird? and are they really that under powered?

05-09-2012, 07:14 AM	#3
ualdrivr Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NY	My first Nitro was the 700 and have never regretted owning it. IMO, Nitros are real machines and there's no way I would characterize a 90 size Nitro powered Heli underpowered __________________ At the precipice, we change! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Team GrandRC

05-09-2012, 08:40 AM	#4
dankcincy Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio, USA	How bout you see if you someone will let you fly one of their nitro byrds so that you can see for yourself. What one person thinks of as plenty of power another might consider sluggish. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ):> Compass 7HV, Atom 500 "Some men just want to watch the world burn"

05-09-2012, 09:13 AM	#5
deca Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Ypsilanti, MI	My only experience with nitro helis are a friends 600n and Hirobo Evo. The Evo definitely felt underpowered (still for nice for sport), the 600n felt lively enough but still a little weaker than any electric I've flown. __________________ Blade 400 \|\| mCPx \|\| Trex 500 ESP 3GX learned basics in winter '09, started again in winter '11 after year or so hiatus currently working on: piro flips and inverted circuits

05-09-2012, 09:21 AM	#6
koppterx Registered Users Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Moreno Valley CA	>>My first Nitro was the 700 and have never regretted owning it. IMO, Nitros are real machines and there's no way I would characterize a 90 size Nitro powered Heli underpowered>> 700N x 2, bigger flies better. period. __________________ converting nitro into noise since the 70's.

05-09-2012, 07:05 AM	#2
rcflier1 Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: long island ny	get a 50 size, imo.properly set up, no way are they underpowered, and the flight times are longer. my x50 with a ys56 has all the power i could want,

05-09-2012, 09:31 AM	#7
drdispatch Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Springfield, MO	I just received my first nitro kit, the Synergy N5c, and am thrilled with the quality of the kit. It's a 50 (600) and seems light. http://youtu.be/JS9-ytf5OwU Looks to have plenty of power to me. __________________ Synergy N5c YS56, CGY750 Gaui X5 Vbar MSH Protos Vbar Blade 130X

05-09-2012, 10:16 AM	#8
bloftin Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Midland, TX	I wouldn't say .50 or .90 size nitro birds are underpowered. But your elevation plays a big part: if your flying @ 5000' above sea level, and the only experiance you have is e-power, the nitro will defanantly feel "softer". But hey if your at sea level... Well that levels the playing field:-) I still enjoy my flybared nitro birds, it's great to have choices, if you have the itch for nitro I say scratch it! And if you've already been flying a 700e, jump into a .90 :-) Trex 700N maybe... __________________ Brian Loftin To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Logo 800 Xxtreme / (2) 12S Logo 6003D's / Logo 600SE Vbar Trex 700N Flybar 1.0 / 700N Vbar / 700E Conversion Flybar 1.0 / 14S 700E Vbar

05-09-2012, 10:27 AM	#9
CeeveeSiN Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Houston Texas	A well tuned modern nitro engine makes very good power especially at sea level. the 55/56 and 120/105 and even the older YS91 SR 3DS are all putting out a ton of power. and when tuned well are plenty to drop a crowds jaw on the ground.. __________________ SAB USA Field Rep, Skookum Field Rep, Team Lynx. Goblin 700, Goblin 630, Goblin 500

05-09-2012, 11:19 AM	#11
seanh Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Houston	yes, the nitro birds are under powered but only if you compared an over-powered E-machine. If you have a half decent tuned nitro engine you can still have a lot of fun. Unless you're flying hard smackdown the difference between the average electric setup and nitro setup is minimal. Remember no one was complaining about power of nitros until a few years ago when people were shoving 12s power and ultra high Kw motors. I got my first nitro bird about 3 years ago. My electrics have been on a shelf ever since. __________________ X-cell Fury 90: 601/9251, 8231's Cyc; DS650; OS 91MP-6; Jr Vibe 90; OS 91RJX Pipe; Jr 8231 cyclic, 770 3D/G8900, Prfct Reg. CCPM; T-Rex 600 NP: 6965HB, 425MG Throttle GY 520/9254; OS50 Hyper,MP-5, Prfct Reg; 600E Bstx, nue1910

05-09-2012, 11:40 AM	#12
EricW Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Netherlands	I fly both. And when you log the amount of used power and the duration.. You'll see that a lot of the extra E-power is only delivered in very short peaks. And the average consumed power is even lower as what a modern 90 ic engine delivers. The most you will notice the difference is in long speed runs, and short bursts. Electric motors deliver more immediate torque and can hold that torque very well. That all said, A nitro engine can be used as a part of the flying, a instrument to play with together with the blades. The nitro feel... Something I personally seriously miss in electric powered helis. More static and forced to fly smooth. I'll always be flying nitro Heli's __________________ One day I got stung, and now I love rotor sounds...Team RIGIDHELI.COM T-Rex 700N Pro, Compass 7HV ult., MSH PRÔTOS

05-09-2012, 11:49 AM	#13
lowflyer101 Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2006	My k3d with ys 56. Got ton of power ,, better flight time tooo, compare to e in class,,, i enjoy fly it as much as my outrage 50 12s ,,, anh 700 e __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

05-09-2012, 08:02 PM	#15
desertstalker Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Australia	They are less powerful than electric no doubt, but a nitro still has more power than 90% of pliots know what to do with... AFAIK a nitro tops out around 4HP ~3kW where electrics are capable of 5kW with bursts up towards 10, if course if you do pull 5kW for any length of time you get 2min flights (and very short lived packs)... __________________ -DX8 -MSH MiniProtos Stretched, SK720, DS95/DS95i, Hyp 4S 25C 2500mAh -MSH Protos Stretched, Brain, Hyp DS16/BLS251, 6S 3000mAh

05-09-2012, 09:00 PM	#16
pete best Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Clayton, NC USA	I love my nitros. T-rex 600's are fairly cheap to buy a good quality used one right now. You can get a good deal on parts too. Throw a OS 55 hyper or a YS 56 in it and you will be in love. They are quite a bit cheaper on fuel then the 90 class helis. There is something about a 700 that really gets your heart pounding with all the noise and smoke added in. I just picked up a compass 3d+ and it is substantially lighter then my t-rex's. I can't wait to get it in the air and see how it feels. Go for it, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Welcome to the dark side... __________________ Greg Short Compass Field Rep Compass Odin 90, Compass Atom 5.5, Compass 3d+ Trex 700E

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