Decided to go Flybarless...

[gobtol]

Yeah, I should have emphasized that my settings should definitely NOT be used as a starting point if you're converting a Blade 450 over to flybarless.

I'm still using stock servos currently. I had a tip-over and replaced the gears in two servos, but all along they have appeared to be operating correctly. The swash stays level during collective pitch movements, which uses all three servos, so I don't believe it's a servo issue. I did order 3 of the D213F servos from hobbyparts.com that I might switch to at some point. They're very slightly slower, but have metal gears.

I painted the landing gear, and the horizontal and vertical fins at the tail. The tail blades are the KBDD orange ones.

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by InFocus

Each FBL brand (v-bar, beastx, cx-3x1000, as3x) is a bit different.
With the CX-3X1000 you don't use swash mix in the radio. it should be set to INH.. About the only 'adjustment' you make in the radio is gyro gains, DR and Expo.. The rest is handled by the FBL unit. I think Beastx is similar to this as well..

The Align 3G FBL is very different and you do still use swash mix etc to adjust it.

Gobtol's settings are a bit unique as compared to most folks here, but he has done his homework and paid attention to details and these settings work for him.

oh wow i idon't know that thanks, i really want to do a FBL one not sure it happen maybe sometime

[IanWhitehead65]

Hi gobtol,

What parts did you need to get? Is the ZXY compatible with the plugs on the stock RX and servos? Did you need to get any servo extension leads or anything?

What head did you get? I can see its Tarrot but do you know the model number. I would like to convert my 3D or FBL. I have been flying mCPx and V120D02S for too long and do not like the flybar on this heli. It is just not what I have gotten used too.

Any help and guidance would be appreciated before I order the parts.

Has anybody use the Hobbyking FBL head on this hel?


Thanks,

Ibs

[FuntanaS]

Originally Posted by IanWhitehead65

Hi gobtol,

What parts did you need to get? Is the ZXY compatible with the plugs on the stock RX and servos? Did you need to get any servo extension leads or anything?

What head did you get? I can see its Tarrot but do you know the model number. I would like to convert my 3D or FBL. I have been flying mCPx and V120D02S for too long and do not like the flybar on this heli. It is just not what I have gotten used too.

Any help and guidance would be appreciated before I order the parts.

Has anybody use the Hobbyking FBL head on this hel?


Thanks,

Ibs

Yes the servo leads will plug into the ZYX no problem. With the stock servos I had to use an extension for the front elevator servo to reach the FBL unit.

This is the head I am using: http://www.hobby-wing.com/tl45110-01.html
You will want to get some Align 450 swash balls since the ball links on the Tarot head are larger than the Blade ones.

[gobtol]

As far as wiring, the ZYX gyro comes with all the cables needed to connect everything up. Here's an excellent thread that explains how to wire everything up.

http://helifreak.com/showthread.php?...ghlight=wiring

Other than the gyro, you obviously have to have a flybarless head. I used the Tarot locking head, part number TL-45110-04. Mine is blue, but black and silver are available too with an -03 or -05 at the end of the part number. Here's a link for the head from CNCHelicopter.

http://www.cnchelicopter.com/servlet...barless/Detail

Now the Tarot head is designed to be used with the Align size swash balls, and will not work with the smaller swash balls used by Blade. To fix this, I replaced the balls in my swash plate with Align ones. I got these at my local hobby shop, I'm unsure of the part number. Now the first time I did this, I happened to break one of the new balls off in my swash plate, and had to get a new swash plate, so be careful, use loctite, and definitely don't try to overtighten them.

I also added a set of carbon fiber blades from hobbypartz.com, with are excellent for the $6.50 or so that they cost. A servo extension wire could be helpful, but it's not required. I mounted the gyro the same place the original gyro mounts, and I had to reroute the servo wires for the front servo. Instead of going underneath the helicopter, I went straight along the right side, and used a couple of dabs of hot glue to secure the wires in place. Other people have used double sided tape successfully as well.

It's a little intimidating at first converting over to flybarless, but once you get going, it's really not that bad. I've learned way more about my helicopter by doing this conversion than I ever would have by simply flying around. If I was doing the conversion again, I would probably go ahead and by a set of these turnbuckle links as well.

http://www.cnchelicopter.com/servlet...ess-New/Detail

They're not required, and they Tarot head comes with adjustable links, but these would make adjustments a lot easier.

[gobtol]

Originally Posted by FuntanaS

Yes the servo leads will plug into the ZYX no problem. With the stock servos I had to use an extension for the front elevator servo to reach the FBL unit.

This is the head I am using: http://www.hobby-wing.com/tl45110-01.html
You will want to get some Align 450 swash balls since the ball links on the Tarot head are larger than the Blade ones.

I want to mention, that head looks to be the older style, two piece head. People have used it successfully, but there is a new style one piece head, like I'm using, that apparently eliminates phasing issues. Also, the new style heads generally will bolt right on without any modifications, where I believe most people have to file their main shaft with the older style heads.

[FuntanaS]

Originally Posted by gobtol

I want to mention, that head looks to be the older style, two piece head. People have used it successfully, but there is a new style one piece head, like I'm using, that apparently eliminates phasing issues. Also, the new style heads generally will bolt right on without any modifications, where I believe most people have to file their main shaft with the older style heads.

Yeah I believe you are right on that. I did have to file the main shaft about 1 mm. Never had any phasing problems though.

You may as well get the newer style if in the market.

[MattRendall]

Is this one of the new ones?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/300729580509...ht_1613wt_1163

[gobtol]

Originally Posted by MattRendall

Is this one of the new ones?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/300729580509...ht_1613wt_1163

Nah, that appears to be one of the older style heads. It will still work, but you'll probably have to file a little bit off the top of your main shaft to get the jesus bolt to align properly.

[Epoweredrc]

Sorry guys but heard something today want to know if its true. Do all. Fbl units make tbe servos fight themselves if u crash on the side and cause servos to strip out or burn out

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[IanWhitehead65]

Originally Posted by FuntanaS

Yeah I believe you are right on that. I did have to file the main shaft about 1 mm. Never had any phasing problems though.

You may as well get the newer style if in the market.

Thanks gobtol and FuntanaS. I am ordering the parts now. I'm not comfortable hovering it stock inverted. Looking forward to a FBL controller. I will use your offered links to set it up when it arrives.

Cheers, Ibs

[FuntanaS]

When going to FBL inverted hovering is a lot more locked in. While mine was FB it was way more squirly and required constant stick corrections.

[IanWhitehead65]

Originally Posted by FuntanaS

When going to FBL inverted hovering is a lot more locked in. While mine was FB it was way more squirly and required constant stick corrections.

Yep - that's what mine is like. I was hoping to learn to fly backward inverted with this heli but I can't see that happening. Its like a different heli inverted.

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[HRPuffnstuff]

Originally Posted by gobtol

Now the Tarot head is designed to be used with the Align size swash balls, and will not work with the smaller swash balls used by Blade. To fix this, I replaced the balls in my swash plate with Align ones.

AGNH45048 : 450 PRO LINKAGE BALL SET For T-REX 450 PRO would be the correct part for your conversion.