Beware of 1BOHO

[jbaum81]

Goes by 1BOHO on here his info is Hugh Hargett.

Long story short me and a friend paid this guy to rewind our motors. We were pretty specific about the KV needed. He wound them wrong, and refused to fix it, then held the motors hostage for payment.

I had to pay the guy to get our motors back. They just arrived and I promptly tested both with an LC meter. One has a bad winding, the other seems to have ok windings but is outside of the usable KV range.

He is a little nutty, we had a bit of a bump on the road, and I should have trusted my gut and just had him send it back.

I'll list the PM's and emails below.

[jbaum81]

A bit of a mess, but preserved for authenticity.

Originally Posted by 1BOHO

The pyro is 480 Kv and the Xnova is 580 Kv . Yes simply make sure the connectors are soldered on good. No cold solder joints. They are bot YY winds so timing from 12 to 18 degrees should be good.

My paypal addy is << email address removed >>.

I have the boxed and ready to go as soon as the paypal comes through I can pack the shipping label give you a tracking number and mail them In the am.

Thanks for the compliment but I can do better . Just a bit conservative when working on someone elses stuff.

Let me know how things go.

Hugh

[jbaum81]

Turns out Hugh got benched for some other unrelated issues, so this is a message I got from another member being forwarded from him. Odd.....

he wanted to get paid, yet did the job wrong and knew he did.....

Originally Posted by Ch.Lucas

Hello ,
Hugh aske me to answer ,so i forward his e mail .
There is his e mailadress ,so you contact him .

I dont know why the one guy Jbaum is contacting me public on helifreaks all he needs to do is send my payment. and has my paypal. No motors leave here until im paid LOL


-----Original Message-----
From: Christian <ch.lucas .
To: hhargett << email address removed >>
Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: Helifreaks

Regardes
Christian Lucas

[jbaum81]

Some emails Below:

Ur motors are going out today hope you enjoy them. Im not tearing all that work back down for 65 kv im sorry I will not do it. Let me know how it goes.

Thank you
Hugh



-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Baumgarte <jbaum81@gmail.com>
To: Hugh H. << email address removed >>
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2015 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: Motors

Hugh:

With all due respect, from your response I suspect very highly that you do not understand the application in which these motors will be used, nor do you understand that which was requested. I will explain.

First let's talk about the the Xnova and the application it is intended for. It was to go into a Protos Max V2 running a 12s Setup. The requested KV was to be as close to 500 as possible. 500KV * 12 cells * 3.7v (nominal voltage) gives around a 22,200 RPM through a 9.5:1 gear ratio nets an approximate head speed of 2100. My target head speed is 2050, so the ESC will run slightly under 100%. What you have provided is 580KV which is 25,752 RPM at nominal voltage and the lowest possible gear ratio is 10.56:1 netting a head speed closer to 2200 RPM. This higher RPM will require a lower throttle percentage which can potentially cause damage to the ESC's, None of which I own have active freewheeling. Even if I did have an ESC with active freewheeling I would be forced to run a pinion with a smaller contact area thus reducing the overall power output that can be obtained prior to slippage. 500KV was originally requested over a 6t delta, you were pretty insistent to do another type of wind and eventually we settled on the 480KV XTS style wind. What I got is a 21% higher KV than what we decided on, this is not insignificant.


I'm not going to go into all the gearing on the 770 for the Pyro, but the exact same principals apply in this application as well. On a 14s setup there isn't a pinion small enough to get Frank to his target head speed and would also require additional load on the ESC running partial throttle. 414KV was requested 480KV was provided that's a 16% difference, also not insignificant.

Please provide tracking when you ship. Thank You.






On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:40 AM, << email address removed >> wrote:
What you wanted was a 8 + 6 which was 414kv on the pyro in 1.4 mm what u got is a 6 + 6 for 485 a difference of 71 kv on the xnova what we discussed was a 4 + 5 for 525 what you got is a 4 + 4 for 580kv a difference of 55 kv Ithe idea that this makes them useless is absurd. Please install them and let me know how they go.They will go out in the morning

Thanks
Hugh




-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Baumgarte <jbaum81@gmail.com>
To: hhargett << email address removed >>
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2015 1:08 am
Subject: Re: Motors

Hugh:

As per my original instructions I needed the Xnova as close to 500KV as possible and originally wanted a 6T delta, just as stock. You recommended a 5+5YY, which was supposed to come out to 480KV. 580KV is completely useless, and a complete waste. I'm very sorry but that is not what we discussed, and I've never agreed to that. Please check your PM's again.

The Pyro was supposed to have been a 8+6YY which was supposed to have been 414KV as per your list of options. At one point you suggested something else, and we declined and told you it was for a 14S setup. You concurred with the original request at that time. 480KV on the Pyro is also useless.

I'll pay you for your time and materials, but this is not what was discussed at all.



On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 7:17 PM, << email address removed >> wrote:
I am not going to tear these motors down. If you want the 7 + 7 send me another stator for the for the pyro!

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Baumgarte <jbaum81@gmail.com>
To: hhargett << email address removed >>
Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 07:30 PM
Subject: Motors


Hugh,

You're PM's are off on HF. Can you confirm the KV please. The numbers are way off from what we talked about. 580KV is way too high for the Xnova, and the Pyro is much higher too.

Let me know.

[jbaum81]

This guy is crazy to think I'd send it back..

<< Email address removed >>
Nov 20 (3 days ago)

to me
I just read this mail.

When you get the xnova if it wont Work Send it back I have an align 700 mx that I wound that is 510 kv Its got excellent fill 6 + 7 YY and new bearings You can take it or run it till the xnova is redone.I dont mind tearing down the xnova but I cant do that pyro Ive put too much work in it. Tearing the pyro down will require a major repair of nicks to the stator. 420 would be the best i could do on the pyro in 15ga.. Send my another pyro or motor and Ill wind it for free parts and labor.

[jbaum81]

Some earlier communication, where you can see what was decided for windings.

Originally Posted by 1BOHO

Oh I didnt realize it was 14S yeah you guys are right the lower kv would probably be better. Ok Ill keep my eyes open for the motors.

[DCflyer]

Wow that really stinks. The guy doesn't seem like a bad guy. He's communicating and willing to work with you by offering a loaner motor and offering another rewind free of charge for another motor. The fact that he's willing to work with you like this, to me, doesn't make him a scammer.

The problem however (and I totally agree with you on this) is a lack of communication on his part. I agree that when you do a rewind, it is usually very specific. The wind can never be dead nuts accurate, so I would expect a 5% variance, but 15-20% is indeed not worth the wind. Thats the whole point of a custom wind.

You don't custom order a car and the thing arrives with different wheels than you requested and the dealer says well too bad this is what I had. You didn't buy the car off the lot. You custom ordered and waited for it.

I'm no winding expert so i'm not commenting on that side of it - guy sure looks like he knows how to wind a motor and does clean work. It seems like he communicated well with you in terms of making suggestions as to the type of wind, but fell short on the Kv. If he couldn't get within 5% of the Kv you requested, a simple back and forth would have resolved the issue certainly.

But it looks like by that time the work was done and he wasn't willing to dive back into the motor and redo it all over again. And that is clearly not acceptable IMO also. Being expected to be paid after that for a motor the customer has said is not usable for his application is not good business. In another rough analogy, thats like getting a custom paint job on your car thats covered in orange peel, and the painter saying the car isn't leaving until he gets paid and isn't getting resprayed either. Sorry dude, but I pay money for your services, which you market and sell. An agreed upon product for an agreed upon price. Simple as that. 5% error margin built in sure. Anything beyond that is unacceptable.

Again, wouldn't call this guy a true scammer, but what he did to you guys is bad business. He would have been better off just taking responsiblity, redoing the motors and getting a shining reference from you guys to all others here on HF. IMO, long term, that would be in his best interests as well.

In his defense, he is offering you a motor to use while he rewinds yours again, but that's a bit late at this point and a lot of extra work on your part and your friend's. It should have been corrected when you guys voiced your concerns.

[jbaum81]

I didn't say he was a scammer. I was very clear on the winds and the desired KV's. If you read through the whole thing you will easily see that AND you will see where he acknowledges it. I had ZERO idea we were getting anything but what was requested until the work was complete. At which point my motors were held hostage for payment, and he refused to correct the issue. I don't know about you but I don't exactly have spare pyro 800 stators just laying around to be rewound. He still to this day refuses to rewind the Pyro that was provided as he damaged it.

Why on earth would I send anything back to this guy after the treatment I got? He should have acknowledged the mistake on his end and taken care of it before shipping. You're more than welcome to contract his services in the future, but you were warned.

Originally Posted by jbaum81

Ur motors are going out today hope you enjoy them. Im not tearing all that work back down for 65 kv im sorry I will not do it. Let me know how it goes.

Thank you
Hugh




On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:40 AM, <hhargett@aol.com> wrote:
What you wanted was a 8 + 6 which was 414kv on the pyro in 1.4 mm what u got is a 6 + 6 for 485 a difference of 71 kv on the xnova what we discussed was a 4 + 5 for 525 what you got is a 4 + 4 for 580kv a difference of 55 kv Ithe idea that this makes them useless is absurd. Please install them and let me know how they go.They will go out in the morning

Thanks
Hugh




On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 7:17 PM, <hhargett@aol.com> wrote:
I am not going to tear these motors down. If you want the 7 + 7 send me another stator for the for the pyro!

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail




hhargett@aol.com
Nov 20 (3 days ago)

to me
I just read this mail.

When you get the xnova if it wont Work Send it back I have an align 700 mx that I wound that is 510 kv Its got excellent fill 6 + 7 YY and new bearings You can take it or run it till the xnova is redone.I dont mind tearing down the xnova but I cant do that pyro Ive put too much work in it. Tearing the pyro down will require a major repair of nicks to the stator. 420 would be the best i could do on the pyro in 15ga.. Send my another pyro or motor and Ill wind it for free parts and labor.

Originally Posted by Ch.Lucas

Hello ,
Hugh aske me to answer ,so i forward his e mail .
There is his e mailadress ,so you contact him .

I dont know why the one guy Jbaum is contacting me public on helifreaks all he needs to do is send my payment. and has my paypal. No motors leave here until im paid LOL


-----Original Message-----
From: Christian <ch.lucas .
To: hhargett <hhargett@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: Helifreaks

Regardes
Christian Lucas

[DCflyer]

Originally Posted by jbaum81

I didn't say he was a scammer. I was very clear on the winds and the desired KV's. If you read through the whole thing you will easily see that AND you will see where he acknowledges it. I had ZERO idea we were getting anything but what was requested until the work was complete. At which point my motors were held hostage for payment, and he refused to correct the issue. I don't know about you but I don't exactly have spare pyro 800 stators just laying around to be rewound. He still to this day refuses to rewind the Pyro that was provided as he damaged it.

Why on earth would I send anything back to this guy after the treatment I got? He should have acknowledged the mistake on his end and taken care of it before shipping. You're more than welcome to contract his services in the future, but you were warned.

If you read my post again and not just the first paragraph you'll see I agree on your points.

You didn't say he was a scammer but this is in the scammer's section so I just wanted to clarify. I wouldn't expect anything less than what you've described. Its a pretty cut a dry case with the amount of documentation you've provided. He should have fixed the situation for you and your friend.

[jbaum81]

Originally Posted by DCflyer

If you read my post again and not just the first paragraph you'll see I agree on your points.

You didn't say he was a scammer but this is in the scammer's section so I just wanted to clarify. I wouldn't expect anything less than what you've described. Its a pretty cut a dry case with the amount of documentation you've provided. He should have fixed the situation for you and your friend.

I only skimmed it on my phone, apologies.

Just to further clarify the timeline and perhaps beat the proverbial dead horse... The 'issue' was discovered prior to shipping back the motors, his refusal to rectify was very clear, our motors were held hostage for payment for incorrect services. My request was clear, and acknowledged. His offer to rectify was far too late, and I certainly wouldn't trust this individual again. It's one of those things where you just need to know when to cut ties and walk away.


I put this in the scammer thread because I linked it to the negative feedback, and couldn't think of a more appropriate place to put such a warning. I considered putting it in the Motor winding sub forum but I thought it more appropriate here.

[1BOHO]

Bullshit he got refund paid for noting not even the wires and materials he asked me to do it not the other way around and i satnd by my descision to not rewind it for 65 kv coz for one he paid for one winding i did it 3 times becaus ei was worried if it failed being my first one to the public and it failed id be liable for 1000sssss while only possibly making 270 bucks
you must be crazy. I explained this fully to you and you did not accept it. U paid after you already saw the photos where you can count the winds!!!!!

CHEERS REMEMBER!!!!


I am far from a scammer u paid for zero ultimately. u should have told them how you lied to paypal initially and said you didnt received it SMH

you also said it was damaged a damn lie everyone can see the photo

good thing is paypal refunded you I lost not a dime.....

[1BOHO]

U were also told that the 15ga is indeed larger that 1.5 and i was a little nervous after your divorce rant that if something went not as planned and that bird feel out the sky Id have a hassle on my hand. My biggest mistake was simply not sending your junk right back to you UNWOUND But instead I tried to work with you and do what I think was within my limits and avoid major liability with a person who angry about his personal downfall which i have zero to do with.

Thank you poster who realized i tried to work with this individual who thinks what going on in his personal life has bearing on his interaction with a vendor.

Now you can run your mouth all you choose but Im done here . the only person that is crazy Is you!

If it got damaged after i repaired yours it because u tried to tear down a totally encapsulated motor which I advised against. The Pyros loop is on the outside so I made sure that wire would stay in place and not come out of the slot. I actually tried to ensure you'd have no failure so go on a be silly......

U explained nothing about ur poor partial throttle performing esc until the motor was already encapsulated and yes EVERYONE :I refused to tear the pyro down for 85 kv because I put a lot of damn work in it!

[jbaum81]

First of all, I called paypal to open the ticket, they are the ones that put it under not received I had to call back to have it changed. I'd be more than happy to post the note history of the transaction.

Second, I specified the desired KV, and initially wanted standard delta winds. You're the one that wanted to do YY's and specified KV's along with your recommended winds. I agreed to your recommendations and what you did was NOT was agreed upon. As you admitted above you didn't wind as requested and expected me to count winds from pictures?? Get real man. I told you my specifications and 100+KV difference over 50+ volts is NOT insignificant. You can blame my ESC's all you want but fact of the matter is a majority of the ESC's out there don't do AFW anyways nor would I want to run it this way even if I did.

Furthermore the Pyro is damaged. You shorted one of the phases. Again If you want to argue this, I would be more than happy to post some pictures with the readings from my LC meter.

The only reason I paid you in the first place was because you refused to ship back, or to redo your work.

Sorry dude, but you did NOT deliver what was agreed upon. I have one motor that is essentially destroyed and another that is all but useless. Just because you think a 20% variance is ok, doesn't mean it is, and just proves the fact that you know nothing of the community your trying to provide services for.

Thanks for nothing bud, The negative feedback is really appropriate too..



Edit:
I really appreciate you airing my personal laundry. All I said to you was I deal with enough crazy from my ex wife and didn't have the patience to deal with your fragile ego... All over you freaking out over me asking to see the other side, which I referred to as the 'ugly side' which was in no way a reflection of your work. You went into much more detail than I did, I honestly don't even know how you knew some of the stuff unless you had spoken with Frank.

Also I'd like to add the wire gauge was something you wanted, You were the one all about the fill. All we wanted was our motors back as close to stock. Frank has his Pyro back, but I'll make it a point to get the motor back from him so I can snap a few shots with the LC meter to prove the winding is actually bad.

Why would I pay you for something completely different than what I wanted?? By your logic If I call a plumber to unplug my sink and he instead rips it out and puts in a different sink of his choosing I should have to pay for that???

[jbaum81]

Here is the dispute history from Paypal. Again they put it as not received, I never said that, and I had it switched.

[1BOHO]

Really.... because they both tested flawlessly here on the scope and running If they never ran how could I have told you the kv they run at? according to you u haven't run them so how would u know he kv they actually run at on a controller not theory calculation based on previous windings and KV....... SMH. This is a real waste of my time tell whatever lies you chose I have things to do but do not use the motors that would mean they worked for you and paypal will be notified.Youre not going to tear that pyro down and you know it you are going to use it in something or sell if for more than what you paid which was zero......It was non functional when u sent it here with a knicked stator and no wires because you ruined it not replacing the cap screws and the rotor twisted on the carrier first flight before you sent it here coz U stripped the holes and thats why you sent it to me with out the screws. U had already created a mess and u needed someone to fix it. I pressed pins in their place because you stripped the holes doing whatever you did calling yourself winding something. I never asked to wind your motors and your options to wind were there. wind the 7 + 7 in 15 ga. and see how far u get. It real easy that why there's so many examples of 7 + 7 pyro rewinds in 15 ga. here on the freak.....look around.Tear it down and see with the encapsulation how easy it is.....make sure you post photos of the process! You can talk trash all u want it you attitude that prevented you from getting the 7 + 7 ultimately and Im glad u did not get it. Im really sorry for Frank because he i never said one thing to me bad or good. U are the one messed it up for him with your mouth.It isnt that I could no do it its because ur lack of respect in how you talked to me made me decide ultimately u weren't worth the extra work. Maybe youll understand when you actually get your hands dirty. I admit Im glad I tore it down and did not let it out of my door for you.

We're done because I told u the kv they were before you paid. U were rushing to paypal me when you saw them I know you can count the turns in the photos that were presented to you before payment and ya paid. If I wanted to hold you motor hostage why would I say no I want them outta here asap they are on their way and Im not willing to rewind them even though technically I could if I wanted to. you did zero to deserve me batting for you that way and Im glad I did not. Of course youre going to pay for materials and my labor. If someone else believes in free extreme winding for free tell them to do it. Real simple I dont want to deal with u and your issues. Nothing more nothing less.



Good luck......and goodbye

[TowPilot]

Originally Posted by 1BOHO

Better behave yourself before you are the one taking a time out or did u forget what u were just told in the other thread. Im done here. Now be a fool and shoot yourself in the foot.

Knock off the baiting or you are going back on vacation.

[atomic]

Wind your own motors.. Very easy to do......