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chansen1953 · 02-23-2014, 08:46 PM

Hi jerry, I see you are in my country now !! .. hope you and mrs P have a great time here...

sutty · 02-25-2014, 11:41 AM

Yes Jerry, I hope your having a great time. Catch you when the boat docks.

As for the progress on the quad front, I have disappointingly allowed my indecision to grind me to a halt.

As you know I'd made my mind up on the Phantom, but then I couldn't get it out of my head that it was such a waste of money to get all that kit from them that was uneeded.

Tx, charger, lipo, etc. I'd also made a mistake and thought I could get the Phantom 2 for £350, but this has custom batteries, and must have their charger, which takes ages to charge, but it does have the benefit of being FPV and that gimble thing ready, for future, and it also isn't £350.

The new batteries do give an amazing 20 -25 minutes flight time, but they are over £100 each, and apparently the charge time, with the custom charger is appalling. I would much rather have the Phantom, which will take my normal 2200 batteries, of which I have a whole bunch.

Also, the Phantom is available as a Phantom only version for £309, which seems good to me, but it isn't in stock.

Plus, what do I need to be sure that I'm getting? Must be naza v2? Hopefully the gimble thing that they do will fit for future, if I do decide to get one?

Just a complete mess of confusion again.

Should I just buy the Phantom, RTF, and not worry about effectively throwing away a bunch of uneeded gear? Only saves about £45 anyway.

Cheers

Sutty

Tomstoy2 · 02-25-2014, 04:35 PM

As with most rtf's the radio is shit. It's just going to go into the pile. Always does eventually.
V2, the flight time is nice, but don't go there.
They are working on a new lipo incorporating Germanium which gives the same lipo a hell of a lot more mah's.

sutty · 02-25-2014, 04:58 PM

I'll ask tomorrow when they are getting the bare bones Phantom 1 in stock, and if it is more than two weeks I'll just order the rtf one then, even though I'll have to throw away the Tx, Rx, and charger, etc, and it will cost me another £45.

Cheers

Sutty

Heli Yea! · 05-22-2014, 02:32 PM

Get the Walkera.

Heli Yea! · 05-23-2014, 11:27 AM

Your indesisiveness paid off. My research shows DJI properly translates to PIA. You would be "stuck" using a stock TX. You would also pay out the wazoo for overpriced crap that would decide at any given moment to not RTH, but off to China instead. The Walkera QRX350 uses audercopter FW. It gets delightful reviews and most issues are newb related. You can use your existing lipos/charger/TX/RX. 20-25min flight times and it does RTH. Cost is half of DJI and quality is tripple. I'll be getting the Walkera.

Oh and Blade Schmade also overpriced.

Heli Yea! · 05-23-2014, 11:32 AM

Check out the PNF version at hobby king. That is if you were still thinking on this topic.

sutty · 05-23-2014, 01:11 PM

I am. Thanks very much for the info. I'll take a look over the weekend. Off out right now though.

Cheers

Sutty

Heli Yea! · 05-23-2014, 01:38 PM

QRX350 PRO. I forgot the PRO.

Tjomp · 05-23-2014, 02:41 PM

I am jumping on the quad bandwagon as well. I don't know if this is a good choice but my shopping list contains among other things the following items :

Tarot Iron Man 650 CF
Cheapo Cameramount
KK Controller
4 x 6s capable motors
4 x 6S capable ESCs
4 x Props

Not at all RTF and not for FPV but to carry a camera filming the river on my upcomming fishing trip

My plan is to use the same 6S batteries I use on the Protos.

Heli Yea! · 05-23-2014, 11:28 PM

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...mbal_PNF_.html

CyprusDave · 05-24-2014, 05:42 AM

I'm with Tjomp on this one - build your own, then you know exactly what you have, how it works and how to fix it. No matter how good the RTF or PNF products are, there are proprietary components in there, which will catch you out one way or another. Even if it's just that they are expensive to buy or only available from one source and they stop making them.

Your shopping list looks good to me. Make sure you get the KK2.1 or 2.1.5 board, and upgrade to the Steveis 1.17s firmware, much more stable.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2144803
I use this on my 250 quad, very steady even in a 7 or 8 mph wind.

Once the bug bites, you will probably want to upgrade to something with GPS etc. Ardupilot Mega is an excellent controller that you can get surprisingly cheaply now.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...A2KVVEZQUSFYSM
And Arducopter firmware with Mission Planner sofrware
http://copter.ardupilot.com/

Here's a couple of pictures of the camera platform that I'm just finishing up. APM controller, NTM 2830 900kv motors on 4S 3600mAh with 10" props. Frame plates are HK SK450 deadcat conversion, arms are 21.5 mm carbon tube from Quadframe, and motor mounts also from Quadframe
http://quadframe.com/
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ter_Frame.html
Cheap gimbal (for now anyway)
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...lti_Rotor.html

and AEE SD21 camera
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8G-AEE-SD2...item4179d93d04

Oh yes, and it's sitting on a set of T-Rex 500 skids wrapped in pipe insulation

Tomstoy2 · 05-24-2014, 06:42 AM

Dave, that's a serious little quad you got there. I like it!

copterboy · 05-24-2014, 07:13 AM

+1 making me

CyprusDave · 05-24-2014, 01:47 PM

"Little" quad? No, this is little

copterboy · 05-24-2014, 02:13 PM

What is that??? Maybe I need one of those for my son

CyprusDave · 05-24-2014, 02:44 PM

Hubsan Q4, about £27 RTF. I bet Jack could fly it

He needs one, get it ordered!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hubsan-Q4-...item3f2cc0e9d0

Virtually indestructible. Worst that happens in a crash is the props pop off. Comes with 4 spare, I've not needed them yet, even letting friends try it out. Sometimes hard to find them, when they disappear behind the sofa

Full 3 axis gyros and accelerometers, so full heading hold, self level etc, and auto-flip

Awesome value, and a blast around the office.

copterboy · 05-24-2014, 03:08 PM

What's hard to find - the friends hiding or the props

Thanks Dave, I think that is just the thing he needs to take it up a level

Assume it will BNF to my DX8 or Jacks DX6i, so will check that out first!!

copterboy · 05-24-2014, 03:15 PM

Hmmm, same problem as Chad and the Phantom I think!!

It's a RTF package, so I'll assume it will only talk to the TX included. Not an issue anyway, as it's for Jack. He'll probably find the stock TX will be lighter than the DX6i, so easier for him to handle. Happy to go with it, cheaper than the plank I was considering......Trigger pulled!!

CyprusDave · 05-24-2014, 05:30 PM

Ah, yes, the included TX is lighter than a DX6i or DX8. In fact, it weighs less than 70g with batteries (it takes 2 x AAA, which are not included, BTW). The whole RTF package comes in a box only 14cm x 10cm x 6cm. You'll get quite a surprise when you see it

I wish I could see your face when it arrives

02-23-2014, 08:46 PM	#41 (permalink)
chansen1953 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Feb 2010	Hi jerry, I see you are in my country now !! .. hope you and mrs P have a great time here... __________________ Chris, DX7 Electronics, Retired BELT CPV2 2 x HK600GT hybrids - + Blade Nano cpx ! DJI/FreeFlight Quadcopter several planks for relax time ! I have not failed, I have just found 1000 ways that do not work.

02-25-2014, 11:41 AM	#42 (permalink)
sutty Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Feb 2008	Yes Jerry, I hope your having a great time. Catch you when the boat docks. As for the progress on the quad front, I have disappointingly allowed my indecision to grind me to a halt. As you know I'd made my mind up on the Phantom, but then I couldn't get it out of my head that it was such a waste of money to get all that kit from them that was uneeded. Tx, charger, lipo, etc. I'd also made a mistake and thought I could get the Phantom 2 for £350, but this has custom batteries, and must have their charger, which takes ages to charge, but it does have the benefit of being FPV and that gimble thing ready, for future, and it also isn't £350. The new batteries do give an amazing 20 -25 minutes flight time, but they are over £100 each, and apparently the charge time, with the custom charger is appalling. I would much rather have the Phantom, which will take my normal 2200 batteries, of which I have a whole bunch. Also, the Phantom is available as a Phantom only version for £309, which seems good to me, but it isn't in stock. Plus, what do I need to be sure that I'm getting? Must be naza v2? Hopefully the gimble thing that they do will fit for future, if I do decide to get one? Just a complete mess of confusion again. Should I just buy the Phantom, RTF, and not worry about effectively throwing away a bunch of uneeded gear? Only saves about £45 anyway. Cheers Sutty __________________ Regards, Sutty BeltEXI, mCX, mSR, 4G3, FBL Trex250SE µB, FBL Trex450Pro µB, FBL Trex550e VX1 Pro, FBL Trex600ESP VX1e, Parkzone P51D, QRX350Pro

02-25-2014, 04:35 PM	#43 (permalink)
Tomstoy2 Registered Users Join Date: May 2010	As with most rtf's the radio is shit. It's just going to go into the pile. Always does eventually. V2, the flight time is nice, but don't go there. They are working on a new lipo incorporating Germanium which gives the same lipo a hell of a lot more mah's. __________________ Avant Aurora 90n,Trex 600E Pro, HC500, HDX450sev4, Trex 250se, mCP-X, Mosquito, X/A Hexa/WKM/UHF/FPV, F330 Flame Wheel, PenguinV2/UHF/FPV, 757-3 ex Ranger/uhf/Ruby/fpv, QAV250 w/Vector , Ritewing Drak w/Vector Crossfire and fpv.

02-25-2014, 04:58 PM	#44 (permalink)
sutty Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Feb 2008	I'll ask tomorrow when they are getting the bare bones Phantom 1 in stock, and if it is more than two weeks I'll just order the rtf one then, even though I'll have to throw away the Tx, Rx, and charger, etc, and it will cost me another £45. Cheers Sutty __________________ Regards, Sutty BeltEXI, mCX, mSR, 4G3, FBL Trex250SE µB, FBL Trex450Pro µB, FBL Trex550e VX1 Pro, FBL Trex600ESP VX1e, Parkzone P51D, QRX350Pro

05-22-2014, 02:32 PM	#45 (permalink)
Heli Yea! Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2008	Bottom line. Get the Walkera. __________________ -Heli Yea! Master of: the living room, mechanical setup and, the obvious! Belt'ish CP FBL, HDX 500 DFC, New V120D02S FBL, Mini CP FBL, Hirobo Shuttle ZX, 450L w/VX1e, QR-X350PRO FPV, 450L w/APM FPV(in progress) DEVO 10 white w/2km range!

05-23-2014, 11:27 AM	#46 (permalink)
Heli Yea! Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2008	Your indesisiveness paid off. My research shows DJI properly translates to PIA. You would be "stuck" using a stock TX. You would also pay out the wazoo for overpriced crap that would decide at any given moment to not RTH, but off to China instead. The Walkera QRX350 uses audercopter FW. It gets delightful reviews and most issues are newb related. You can use your existing lipos/charger/TX/RX. 20-25min flight times and it does RTH. Cost is half of DJI and quality is tripple. I'll be getting the Walkera. Oh and Blade Schmade also overpriced. __________________ -Heli Yea! Master of: the living room, mechanical setup and, the obvious! Belt'ish CP FBL, HDX 500 DFC, New V120D02S FBL, Mini CP FBL, Hirobo Shuttle ZX, 450L w/VX1e, QR-X350PRO FPV, 450L w/APM FPV(in progress) DEVO 10 white w/2km range!

05-23-2014, 11:32 AM	#47 (permalink)
Heli Yea! Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2008	sorrr no link but... Check out the PNF version at hobby king. That is if you were still thinking on this topic. __________________ -Heli Yea! Master of: the living room, mechanical setup and, the obvious! Belt'ish CP FBL, HDX 500 DFC, New V120D02S FBL, Mini CP FBL, Hirobo Shuttle ZX, 450L w/VX1e, QR-X350PRO FPV, 450L w/APM FPV(in progress) DEVO 10 white w/2km range!

05-23-2014, 01:11 PM	#48 (permalink)
sutty Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Feb 2008	I am. Thanks very much for the info. I'll take a look over the weekend. Off out right now though. Cheers Sutty __________________ Regards, Sutty BeltEXI, mCX, mSR, 4G3, FBL Trex250SE µB, FBL Trex450Pro µB, FBL Trex550e VX1 Pro, FBL Trex600ESP VX1e, Parkzone P51D, QRX350Pro

05-23-2014, 01:38 PM	#49 (permalink)
Heli Yea! Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2008	QRX350 PRO. I forgot the PRO. __________________ -Heli Yea! Master of: the living room, mechanical setup and, the obvious! Belt'ish CP FBL, HDX 500 DFC, New V120D02S FBL, Mini CP FBL, Hirobo Shuttle ZX, 450L w/VX1e, QR-X350PRO FPV, 450L w/APM FPV(in progress) DEVO 10 white w/2km range!

05-23-2014, 02:41 PM	#50 (permalink)
Tjomp Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Apr 2009	I am jumping on the quad bandwagon as well. I don't know if this is a good choice but my shopping list contains among other things the following items : Tarot Iron Man 650 CF Cheapo Cameramount KK Controller 4 x 6s capable motors 4 x 6S capable ESCs 4 x Props Not at all RTF and not for FPV but to carry a camera filming the river on my upcomming fishing trip My plan is to use the same 6S batteries I use on the Protos. __________________ MSH Protos, Gaui X5, Oxy4, Oxy2 RC Heli Lounge on Discord : https://discord.gg/92HmhxWK

05-23-2014, 11:28 PM	#51 (permalink)
Heli Yea! Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jun 2008	the link http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...mbal_PNF_.html __________________ -Heli Yea! Master of: the living room, mechanical setup and, the obvious! Belt'ish CP FBL, HDX 500 DFC, New V120D02S FBL, Mini CP FBL, Hirobo Shuttle ZX, 450L w/VX1e, QR-X350PRO FPV, 450L w/APM FPV(in progress) DEVO 10 white w/2km range!

05-24-2014, 05:42 AM	#52 (permalink)
CyprusDave Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2008	I'm with Tjomp on this one - build your own, then you know exactly what you have, how it works and how to fix it. No matter how good the RTF or PNF products are, there are proprietary components in there, which will catch you out one way or another. Even if it's just that they are expensive to buy or only available from one source and they stop making them. Your shopping list looks good to me. Make sure you get the KK2.1 or 2.1.5 board, and upgrade to the Steveis 1.17s firmware, much more stable. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2144803 I use this on my 250 quad, very steady even in a 7 or 8 mph wind. Once the bug bites, you will probably want to upgrade to something with GPS etc. Ardupilot Mega is an excellent controller that you can get surprisingly cheaply now. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...A2KVVEZQUSFYSM And Arducopter firmware with Mission Planner sofrware http://copter.ardupilot.com/ Here's a couple of pictures of the camera platform that I'm just finishing up. APM controller, NTM 2830 900kv motors on 4S 3600mAh with 10" props. Frame plates are HK SK450 deadcat conversion, arms are 21.5 mm carbon tube from Quadframe, and motor mounts also from Quadframe http://quadframe.com/ http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ter_Frame.html Cheap gimbal (for now anyway) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...lti_Rotor.html and AEE SD21 camera http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8G-AEE-SD2...item4179d93d04 Oh yes, and it's sitting on a set of T-Rex 500 skids wrapped in pipe insulation Attached Thumbnails __________________ Helis: Belt-CP, Mini Titan, EXI 450, HK250-GT, HK500-GT, HK600-GT, mSR (all modified/customised). Quads: Q4, nQX, HK250, Custom built 560 Deadcat camera platform. Some planks. DX6i & DX9. And a boat & some HK surface controller thingy.

05-24-2014, 06:42 AM	#53 (permalink)
Tomstoy2 Registered Users Join Date: May 2010	Dave, that's a serious little quad you got there. I like it! __________________ Avant Aurora 90n,Trex 600E Pro, HC500, HDX450sev4, Trex 250se, mCP-X, Mosquito, X/A Hexa/WKM/UHF/FPV, F330 Flame Wheel, PenguinV2/UHF/FPV, 757-3 ex Ranger/uhf/Ruby/fpv, QAV250 w/Vector , Ritewing Drak w/Vector Crossfire and fpv.

05-24-2014, 07:13 AM	#54 (permalink)
copterboy Registered Users Join Date: May 2008	+1 making me __________________ COPTERBOY DX6i, mSR (SOLD), BeltCP (SOLD), mCPx w solid boom and Rakon Heli Head T-Rex450V2 w.PRO head, Scorp-8 & 45A V2 ESC, CSM4200/S9257, 3xHS65MG E-Flite CX2 - All Microheli/Extreme CNC CF Upgrades TRex600N, Kasama Head, OS50SX

05-24-2014, 01:47 PM	#55 (permalink)
CyprusDave Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2008	"Little" quad? No, this is little Attached Thumbnails __________________ Helis: Belt-CP, Mini Titan, EXI 450, HK250-GT, HK500-GT, HK600-GT, mSR (all modified/customised). Quads: Q4, nQX, HK250, Custom built 560 Deadcat camera platform. Some planks. DX6i & DX9. And a boat & some HK surface controller thingy.

05-24-2014, 02:13 PM	#56 (permalink)
copterboy Registered Users Join Date: May 2008	What is that??? Maybe I need one of those for my son __________________ COPTERBOY DX6i, mSR (SOLD), BeltCP (SOLD), mCPx w solid boom and Rakon Heli Head T-Rex450V2 w.PRO head, Scorp-8 & 45A V2 ESC, CSM4200/S9257, 3xHS65MG E-Flite CX2 - All Microheli/Extreme CNC CF Upgrades TRex600N, Kasama Head, OS50SX

05-24-2014, 02:44 PM	#57 (permalink)
CyprusDave Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2008	Hubsan Q4, about £27 RTF. I bet Jack could fly it He needs one, get it ordered! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hubsan-Q4-...item3f2cc0e9d0 Virtually indestructible. Worst that happens in a crash is the props pop off. Comes with 4 spare, I've not needed them yet, even letting friends try it out. Sometimes hard to find them, when they disappear behind the sofa Full 3 axis gyros and accelerometers, so full heading hold, self level etc, and auto-flip Awesome value, and a blast around the office. __________________ Helis: Belt-CP, Mini Titan, EXI 450, HK250-GT, HK500-GT, HK600-GT, mSR (all modified/customised). Quads: Q4, nQX, HK250, Custom built 560 Deadcat camera platform. Some planks. DX6i & DX9. And a boat & some HK surface controller thingy.

05-24-2014, 03:08 PM	#58 (permalink)
copterboy Registered Users Join Date: May 2008	What's hard to find - the friends hiding or the props Thanks Dave, I think that is just the thing he needs to take it up a level Assume it will BNF to my DX8 or Jacks DX6i, so will check that out first!! __________________ COPTERBOY DX6i, mSR (SOLD), BeltCP (SOLD), mCPx w solid boom and Rakon Heli Head T-Rex450V2 w.PRO head, Scorp-8 & 45A V2 ESC, CSM4200/S9257, 3xHS65MG E-Flite CX2 - All Microheli/Extreme CNC CF Upgrades TRex600N, Kasama Head, OS50SX

05-24-2014, 03:15 PM	#59 (permalink)
copterboy Registered Users Join Date: May 2008	It won't walky and talky!! Hmmm, same problem as Chad and the Phantom I think!! It's a RTF package, so I'll assume it will only talk to the TX included. Not an issue anyway, as it's for Jack. He'll probably find the stock TX will be lighter than the DX6i, so easier for him to handle. Happy to go with it, cheaper than the plank I was considering......Trigger pulled!! __________________ COPTERBOY DX6i, mSR (SOLD), BeltCP (SOLD), mCPx w solid boom and Rakon Heli Head T-Rex450V2 w.PRO head, Scorp-8 & 45A V2 ESC, CSM4200/S9257, 3xHS65MG E-Flite CX2 - All Microheli/Extreme CNC CF Upgrades TRex600N, Kasama Head, OS50SX

05-24-2014, 05:30 PM	#60 (permalink)
CyprusDave Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2008	Ah, yes, the included TX is lighter than a DX6i or DX8. In fact, it weighs less than 70g with batteries (it takes 2 x AAA, which are not included, BTW). The whole RTF package comes in a box only 14cm x 10cm x 6cm. You'll get quite a surprise when you see it I wish I could see your face when it arrives __________________ Helis: Belt-CP, Mini Titan, EXI 450, HK250-GT, HK500-GT, HK600-GT, mSR (all modified/customised). Quads: Q4, nQX, HK250, Custom built 560 Deadcat camera platform. Some planks. DX6i & DX9. And a boat & some HK surface controller thingy.

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