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09-27-2009, 08:21 AM | #61 (permalink) |
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Assembly Manuals
I should have posted these up front first.....
9, 02:17 PM #12 Finless Team Taco VP My HF Map location Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stanton, Ca. OK up by request here are some Trex 600 manuals This is the original 600 CF manual when the 600 first came out: Align Trex600 CF manual (4 Megs) This is the Trex600 ESP updated with colors, etc by Marilyn Somers: Align Trex600 ESP updated manual (9 Megs) Bob __________________
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09-28-2009, 02:09 PM | #62 (permalink) |
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Stock ESC
Seems that some wonder if the stock Align 100A ESC is capable of greater than 6S operating voltage,
Hope this will answer the question for you... Specifications: Continuous current: 100Amps with proper air flow Surge current: 135Amps for 15seconds Supporting motor types: 2 poles to 10+poles in/outrunner brushless motors Supporting maximum RPM: 2poles=>190,000rpm Supporting input voltage: 5.5V~25.2V Supporting battery types: Li-ion/ Li-poly 2~6 cells, Ni-Mh 6-18 cells Size: 72mm x 28mm x 14mm Weight: 69g nightflyr
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09-28-2009, 03:42 PM | #63 (permalink) |
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I can see the most popular upgrade of power system is to go with Scorpion HK-4025.
Is the any good explanation which version of this motor is the best for 10S? I can see people use 740kv, 890kv and 630kv. There is some relation between kv and delivered power. With lover kv this motor is capable of deliver more power. |
09-28-2009, 03:51 PM | #64 (permalink) |
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All depending on your gearing to attain your required HS VS. power consumption, a 4025-630 with a 13T pinion will yield you a lower HS ~14-1500 but with a flight time of almost 20 minutes without any 3D, where as a 4025-890 with a 12T will yield 2150 HS with a flight time of 4:30 give or take.
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09-28-2009, 04:24 PM | #65 (permalink) |
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If you are looking for good head speed like 2100 you can always find a gear for you motor and number of cells. Like standard ESP setup we have 6s and 1220kv with 14T pinion.
I just wonder which motor is the most efficient one for 10s let's say 40V. If I pick up 740kv then my calculation is: 740kv * 40 = 29600. 29600/2100 = 14 170/14 = 12T pinion |
09-28-2009, 04:38 PM | #66 (permalink) | |
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09-29-2009, 07:18 AM | #67 (permalink) | |
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Of all the posts withing this sticky this particular post, in my opinion is VERY valuable and so I felt the need to quote it in order that it can be repeated.
I have been learning to fly and build helis since January this year, starting with 450s then a 500 and now this monster! WOW.......it is huge! Many thanks to those who take the time out to take pictures and post such useful information.......A BIG THANKS! As my own learning curve has developed with the 'smaller' helis I have been in a position on occasion to offer guidance to those with less experience than myself - very satisfying! Quote:
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09-29-2009, 07:21 AM | #68 (permalink) |
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I am fitting 610 servos and notice that the links from the servo wheels to the aeleron levers are not quite straight.
Do I need to fit spacers to move the servos out a little bit or is it considered OK to have a slight angle on the links when using DS610 servos? Thanks again!
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09-29-2009, 07:25 AM | #69 (permalink) | |
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09-29-2009, 08:37 AM | #70 (permalink) |
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I had read that post but they are different servos - I just wondered what folks using the 610s were doing - do they use spacers to straighten out the links? The angle is only small.
It is my understanding that the 610 is the servo that Align had in mind when producing their build manual.
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09-29-2009, 09:13 AM | #71 (permalink) | |
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10-01-2009, 09:40 AM | #72 (permalink) |
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Align ESC
I almost finished assembling my 600 ESP. There is picture of my cycle servo links adjustments.
I have a question. Does Align ESC powered by Align External BEC? I can see that ESC has connected three wires to throttle channel. Take a look at a picture. Should I remove this red wire form throttle connector? |
10-01-2009, 09:42 AM | #73 (permalink) |
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Do not remove that wire! The ESC doesn't have a BEC.
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10-01-2009, 09:42 AM | #74 (permalink) |
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The ESC is powered from the battery.
The connection from radio receiver to ESC is to get the throttle signal. There is no electrical connection on the red wire, so there is no reason to cut it. The manual that comes with the ESC explains this. (Update: I am sure I saw this explained in Align-provided materials. I just reviewed the "colorized" ESC manual from this site, and saw no mention of it. It only says that IF the ESC you're using is powered by a BEC, to remove the red line, but the Align ESC is not powered by a BEC. I'll check my paper copy at home, it might be newer. In either case, you can discover that the red wire is inert by plugging your 6S to your ESC, and your ESC to your receiver, and note that the receiver gets no power.) |
10-01-2009, 09:59 AM | #75 (permalink) |
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Thanks guys for help.
I am going tomorrow after work to Fun Fly in Virginia and I will be on Saturday. Maybe we can meet there. http://www.heli-invasion.com |
10-01-2009, 10:44 AM | #76 (permalink) | |
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-Volts x Current = Watts (power). So in theory, if your running 12s (double the voltage) then you only need half the current to make the same power. If your still running a 6s setup then you will want an ESC that can still handle 100 amps like the align one. So an hv 110 gives you the option to run both motor kv/battery setup and the size/weight difference doesn't effect a 600 size heli...
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10-01-2009, 10:48 AM | #77 (permalink) |
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HS-965MG on a rex 600?
How does the Hitec HS-965MG servo's fit/work on the rex 600 for cyclic? I just ordered the 600 and I'm gonna strip the servo's off my Gaui 550...
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10-01-2009, 01:05 PM | #78 (permalink) |
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It is true more current more heat. We need resistance in order to get heat. The equation for heat is W = I*I*R When we have very very low resistance then we do not get heat. This is a reason why w are always looking for thick plate in battery – more C and low resistance ESC.
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10-05-2009, 04:21 PM | #79 (permalink) |
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Align Stock 100A ESC
By request by Diploid the results concerning the Stock 6S 100A ESC issued with the TREX600ESP kit....
https://www.helifreak.com/showthread...ight=align+esc https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=141403
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