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Old 09-17-2006, 07:59 AM   #21
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hi Lars
1400 is the price that a french retailer told me
anyway 1195 is still much more expensive than the american price which is 1000$ (790) so there is a difference of 405 between france and the US price .How do they justifie such a price
i really think that its a ripp off and i want to fight against this.
And the best way to fight is to let Augusto know that we want accept his dictact on prices and selection of the way dealers are not allowed to sell outside a defined area
again that is black mail and a rip off
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Old 09-17-2006, 09:22 AM   #22
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Hey MD,

Why dont you just buy in America and have it shipped. To export to another country such as France is not cheap. It would be cheaper for Augusto with alot less hastle. It is probably another reason it is taking so long for the release. I think you should be happy that he put forth the effort to send them to France. So please do not accept the prices ,, that just means more for us in the US..I am sure we will support Augusto here in the US enough to make up the dif.


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Old 09-17-2006, 09:35 AM   #23
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why don't you actuallywait and see what the prices will be. Augusto doesn't say much to his dealers, I know I am one. He's very tight lipped about the actual release date, and other aspects of release.
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Old 09-17-2006, 09:39 AM   #24
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yes sure to send it to france cost 400 ah ah ah

RIP OFF

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Old 09-17-2006, 09:43 AM   #25
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this is what i want just let us buy it in the USA
then all will be ok and fair
we will pay for the shipment and all the taxes
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Old 09-18-2006, 12:48 AM   #26
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Huh guess now you know how people in the US feel that want the diamont with the distributor trying to sell them out of france..sucks but if you want it youll pay the price...my hypothesis is youre getting back doored by your distributor since augusto is taking huge measures to make the kit more than competitive.
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:43 AM   #27
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Just to let everyone in France know.

There is no distributor selected for France yet so whoever told him this supposedly 1,400 euros price figure is completely off base. There is no reasoning with this kid so I simply ignore him and all his posts until a distributor for France is selected and he can talk to them.
As posted by Blars most european dealers have much lower pricing so why he can't wait until there is a french distributor before complaining about non-existent french prices is beyond me.

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Old 09-18-2006, 03:05 AM   #28
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Dont Worry Augusto,, we got your back !!!! Just keep up the good work ,, we are all waiting patiently..There has to be one in every country... !!!!


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Old 09-18-2006, 02:13 PM   #29
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as i already said the official price in europe is 1195 although in the US its 1000$
do you think its normal??? what are the reasons ?
its only a way to make monney on our back
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Old 09-18-2006, 02:14 PM   #30
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maybe augusto will "ignore " me but for sure we will ignore his ripp off heli
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Old 09-18-2006, 02:23 PM   #31
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what will we do when we crash do we rely only on one dealer???
shall we pay double price to have a flybar or anything else
ah ah ah
thanks god our raptor are sold normally like all others heli except the AUGUSTO GOLDEN AURORA (at least sold like it was gold)
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Old 09-18-2006, 03:04 PM   #32
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Here is a reply augusto gave to you on another forum. still applies here.

"We can't control pricing overseas simply because all the countries in the world charge completely different custom duties for the same products. We provide the same dealer cost to all and they decide what to charge the customers.

That being said if they are greedy and price themselves out of the market and don't sell a certain volume of kits per year they simply lose their dealership so it's in their best interest to price it so that the product moves. That is our only tool to make sure they price themselves competitively.

Another factor to consider is that their geographic location is also different so they will have very different shipping costs. For instance a product shipped to Mexico or Canada will have shipping costs that are an order of magnitude lower than the shipment costs to India for instance.

Don't make assumptions as to us controlling prices because the larger reason the prices are so different in different countries is that some governments charge outrageous dutty taxes that can vary from 5% in some cases up to 200% of the cost in others such as in some eastern european and some south american countries.

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Old 09-18-2006, 03:16 PM   #33
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Augusto is not the only manufacturer who is protecting his dealers, I think Synergy is the same way, it has happened before and will happen again. If I was going to fly a new heli, I would rather make sure I can damn well get parts and fast. If you dealer does not make $$ he is going to have a harder time stocking parts, it is a vicious cycle.

There is so little markup in this industry that dealing with someone who you can count on is a lot more important to me than shopping for the cheapest price.
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Old 09-18-2006, 03:16 PM   #34
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sorry but i don't think this explain the 400 difference
its simply a way of controlling customers
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Old 09-18-2006, 03:23 PM   #35
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I don't know how to say it any other way.

Apparently English is not a language you understand.

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We can't control pricing overseas simply because all the countries in the world charge completely different custom duties for the same products. We provide the same dealer cost to all and they decide what to charge the customers.
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Old 09-18-2006, 03:24 PM   #36
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We provide the same dealer cost to all and they decide what to charge the customers.
sound like you need to be complaining to the comanies selling the stuff in your area, not to a bunch of keybaord jockeys.
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Old 09-18-2006, 03:30 PM   #37
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i do understand perfectly well english
i do understand too when people try to fool me
the real question is why can't i buy the heli directly to the USA
i will pay of course all the taxes and the shipping cost
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Old 09-18-2006, 03:34 PM   #38
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MD3DNT,

Please check your PM's.
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Old 09-18-2006, 03:35 PM   #39
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the real question is why can't i buy the heli directly to the USA
Agian a reply Augusto gave you already.

"Dealers have to support the products in their countries.
They have to buy a certain amount of inventory so that you, the consumer, can buy the spare parts locally or drive to a local store and buy the parts you need to get back in the air quickly.

A common gripe from dealers is that they make the investment and commitment to carry the products in their country and since they are forced to pay the dutties that their countries impose on them their costs are higher.

Customers buy the product overseas get the invoice written to a lower amount than what they really paid and then pass them into the country at a much lower cost than dealers have to pay because unlike a private person they are forced to pay the real dutties.

We can't base a business model based on people buying their helis overseas and illegaly avoiding the dutties that dealers are forced to pay. The real problem is the dutties imposed.

That being said if the dealer doesn't move volume they lose their dealership so they better price themselves reasonably or they'll be out of products to sell. "
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Old 09-18-2006, 03:45 PM   #40
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i do understand perfectly well english
i do understand too when people try to fool me
the real question is why can't i buy the heli directly to the USA
i will pay of course all the taxes and the shipping cost
Apparently not since you seem to be focusing on the same questions when they have already been answered.

Another person posted that Revolution Models had them for 680. It was also told to you to wait until a distributor in France was selected, but that missed you as well.
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