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View Poll Results: Is a bigger heli more dangerous to a noob?
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Old 08-16-2011, 11:00 AM   #21
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I am working with an instructor.

I came to him with a 250, had a terrible time.

He said, get a 600.

I did, and after several hours on the buddy box, he said I was safe to solo.

Under the right conditions, a large heli is perfectly safe.

Of course, I realize that the vast majority out there are self-taught, and that instructors are rare.
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Old 08-16-2011, 11:55 AM   #22
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Sure... If you have an instructor, the sky's the limit. I don't think that was the intent of the poll. If you had an instructor, you wouldn't be asking us for advice.
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Old 08-16-2011, 12:56 PM   #23
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no, a bigger heli isn't more dangers for a noob. It's actually less dangerous in my opinion because of the intimidation factor...the new pilot will inherintly fly in a safer manor. The small birds teach new pilots bad habbits such as advancing before your ready...this is where the danger is.

The point is moot anyway. If a new pilot is flying/learning with a mentor, as he should. He'll not be put in a position to cause harm to others.

Someone mentioned hitting yourself with your own heli...if you're one of these, quit the hobby. You don't know what you're doing and are a poor reflection of other pilots.
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Old 08-16-2011, 01:03 PM   #24
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I here the guys at the field tell new guys that they should get at least a T550E because the T450 is just to squirrely and the T500 is no better. I take offence to that statement because all I have is a 450 and 500. I think they both fly great and are not as much of a danger. In fact I may not go larger that the 500. Personally I think a noob with a large heli just may be a danger to himself and others.
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Old 08-16-2011, 01:24 PM   #25
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The more I think about the question the more it seems little off. A bigger heli is more dangerous to everyone. Doesn't matter if it's a new pilot or Tareq on the sticks, if they hit someone with a 700 it's going to do some damage.

Given that a new pilot is much more likely to lose control I think the question should be, is the blanket advice of "get the biggest helicopter you can afford" really good advice? Until a new pilot can handle a heli unexpectedly heading right for them, should they even be allowed to fly a large helicopter with out being buddy boxed?

And if they shouldn't, would it be better advice to get a helicopter they can safely learn on with out constant supervision?

Just because they may be more intimidated by a larger helicopter doesn't mean they're less likely to dumb thumb it into someone, it probably makes it more likely.
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Old 08-16-2011, 01:30 PM   #26
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I would imagine that a noob who has no better guidance than to come here and ask us, would also have no 'on site' mentor, teacher or anyone to Buddy-Box them.

If they have no mentor or teacher, if follows that they are not going to be flying at an AMA chartered club or flying field and will likely be flying in a local park.

In that case... a BIG heli would be dangerous, not just to the noob, but also everyone around the noob.
You discribe me almost perfectly (I fly in the middle of nowhere but there is still dog walkers to look out for etc), and I agree with you 100% (see sig).

I think one of my best learning experences so for was a picture thread in the safety section showing some of the damage these things can do to people.
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Old 08-16-2011, 01:30 PM   #27
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Any size class helicopter is quite safe & flyable depending on how you learn and gain experience.

But for someone just starting out on their own in this hobby....

In all honesty Which would be a wise choice to suggest??





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Old 08-16-2011, 01:49 PM   #28
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That 800 is very, very nice, but I would never dare fly something that big, at least for a few more years anyway with the way I am having to learn.

edit: why do I spend so much time looking at the pictures you post?
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:37 PM   #29
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I agree with rdlohr

I think one thing has been overlooked here. It's the initial setup learning curve that is the most dangerous for someone just starting out. Learning how to setup the heli (esc,gyro rotor head, etc.) plus learning to setup and use the radio.

Maybe there should also be a poll... did you learn how to fly all by yourself or did you have someone with experience help you out. Might be enlightening. My guess is more people learned on their own.
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:03 PM   #30
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Wow. I'd so pick the 800. How about the 800 with a FPV?
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:31 PM   #31
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Fact...

No way would I ever would have built & flew these unless I knew what it was
starting with a Blade 400 and moving up in size class..

And as much as I do fly them ,they still scare the crap outta me



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Old 08-16-2011, 04:14 PM   #32
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i always say a 500 is a good compromise to start with for a beginner. more stable than a 450, but not as intimidating aas a .50. btw, my mcpx is probably the hardest heli i have to fly. i dont think id have had much fun with it as a total noob.
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Old 08-16-2011, 04:40 PM   #33
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All advice I have read says start with a 500 at least to save yourself cash and frustration.

I started with a HoneyBee, certainly cost me more than a 500 within a short while but I did learn a lot. I was able to start 'flying' in the garage then moved to my driveway before heading to a local school's (always empty) sports field.

Yes, the HoneyBee did make contact (in the thigh) but I think it was more to do with the lack of space I was flying in than anything else.

I am now building a 500 and the size is daunting. I don't think I would have tried to fly this in my drive. (I certainly won't be now).

I did use FMS as a sim but once I flew the HoneyBee I went and got Phoenix.

I wouldn't recommend flying something as big (or bigger) than the 500 without at least getting some serious sim time.

Also don't think many people would complete a 500 build without visiting a site like this so you would most likely pick up heaps of advice (especially the sim thing) before flying so in the end I think why not a 500?

Final judgement reserved until I actually get to fly my 500
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:00 PM   #34
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Yes but you can get hurt by a 450 size heli just as bad.Take a blade to the neck,head or something and see how much safer it is.
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:06 PM   #35
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Bigger is safer imho, at least I feel safer with a noob flying a bigger heli.

- Its bigger, so you can see it at a safer distance
- Its more stable, so its less likely that the beginner loses control.
- Its easier to set up, so beginners are less likely to make mistakes
- Its more intimidating, so beginners will think twice before doing stupid stuff
- I personally think a 250 will go to the bone, so thats serious injury too.
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:09 PM   #36
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It is possible not likely but possible to be killed by a 450
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:11 PM   #37
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Sure... If you have an instructor, the sky's the limit. I don't think that was the intent of the poll. If you had an instructor, you wouldn't be asking us for advice.
I agree - the poll would be a lot less meaningful if we had a tradition of instruction in R/C. Then it practically wouldn't matter what you start with. As long as someone could teach you to fly it, you could get whatever you wanted as your first heli.

To me it's almost bizarre how low a priority good instruction is in R/C helis, especially given how expensive and depressing teaching one's self to fly is. Crashing over and over is only good for parts manufacturers/resellers - it drives pretty much everyone else, except the most hardy of all, out of the hobby and they never return.

I'm only qualified to speak on this because I've done it both ways. I'm almost completely self-taught in helis and planks, but did fly with competent instructors/went through training and the required examinations in full scale (planks). I can say with full assurance that getting instruction is vastly, vastly easier, cheaper and more fun than the self-teaching method.

One good development has been high quality simulators. These are obviously better than nothing at all and in fact can get you very close to being able to control the machine without having ever touched the real thing before.

But still nothing beats a good instructor for the highest bang/buck and fun ratio. I still think that would be the cheapest, easiest route overall and our equipment would thank us.


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Old 08-16-2011, 05:50 PM   #38
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Bigger is safer imho, at least I feel safer with a noob flying a bigger heli.

- Its bigger, so you can see it at a safer distance
- Its more stable, so its less likely that the beginner loses control.
- Its easier to set up, so beginners are less likely to make mistakes
- Its more intimidating, so beginners will think twice before doing stupid stuff
- I personally think a 250 will go to the bone, so thats serious injury too.
Exactly how I feel..
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:55 PM   #39
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BTW,
Clicking too fast and voted wrong...
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Old 08-16-2011, 06:01 PM   #40
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Heres a Crazy Newbee at my field....everyone that fly there is scared of him

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