Bad deal on a purchase at Helifreak

[hp500]

And to think I wanted to buy it and almost did.

[toadiscoil]

At least it flies now. 64 flights until today. One miracle crash no damage at all.

Flight of Enzo - Goblin 380 (4 min 22 sec)

[Diogenes]

One other thing that might help others avoid a situiation like this, both buyer and seller:

A while back I sold a Goblin 380 kit, and thought I might have grabbed a part or two out of it, basically couldn't remember. https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=737387 - See post 6

What I did was lay each bag out on the bed, take several pictures, and sent them to the prospective buyer. Since the kit had been opened, we looked at them and both agreed that things were there and what needed replacing, etc, before I sent it.

I would have insisted that the entire kit be sent back and would have given them a full refund. Toad, glad u got her flying, as mentioned. that's a kick a## paint scheme.

/two cents

[toadiscoil]

I think that is very good advice. To be honest if you take parts off a kit you are selling, either state the risk of having missing parts, or do what you say to lay it all out, or work it out in the end as we are all human and make mistakes after all. I have said enough about this particular case, though.

I also love the Zeal paint scheme, it looks awesome! But it is funny that Yellowbird has a much better contrasting and visible scheme. On overcast days or when the sun is hitting just right, the red and black might be sometimes hard to see and can lose orientation. Of course that is when you are a rookie pilot like me that has to fly 10 mistakes high hehehe.

Now I have to admit by far the best visible canopy I have flown is the optional Blade 360 CFX. It is orange/yellow with a green "windshield". That bright green spot is SUPER easy to see when it is coming at you even from a distance. Loved that canopy. Flew both the 360 and the Goblin the same day because I was checking the iKon on the 360 before I sold it and well had batteries for the Goblin. The flight characteristics are night and day, I am loving my Goblins and appreciated them much more that day. But I have to admit that Blade canopy was awesome. I could have Canomod make one but too much money and hassle. I am anyways happy with Enzo and Yellowbird.

Originally Posted by Diogenes

One other thing that might help others avoid a situiation like this, both buyer and seller:

A while back I sold a Goblin 380 kit, and thought I might have grabbed a part or two out of it, basically couldn't remember. https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=737387 - See post 6

What I did was lay each bag out on the bed, take several pictures, and sent them to the prospective buyer. Since the kit had been opened, we looked at them and both agreed that things were there and what needed replacing, etc, before I sent it.

I would have insisted that the entire kit be sent back and would have given them a full refund. Toad, glad u got her flying, as mentioned. that's a kick a## paint scheme.

/two cents

[Diogenes]

Decided to keep my 360cfx. I have nearly another airframe for it. I take it out and bash with it every once in a while, within reason. It's got nice servos (omg x1) on it, so I dont want to tear them up. Once I wipe it or get tired of it, the electronics will go on the oxy4 kit I plan on buying next spring, after the government takes a bite out of my butt

[toadiscoil]

You have way too many helis for my taste my friend. The only other one I plan on getting is a Goblin 500 Sport but I don't know if that can happen next year. Hopefully it does. I want to convert one of the 380's possibly Enzo to a 3 blade and I think with the high cost of the upgrade I might be better off just buying the KSE kit and keeping the rest as spares. Or I might go cheap and smaller and get an Oxy 3 Tareq but I really like the 380 so I think a 500 would suit me better. As good as everyone says the Oxy 3 is I see myself on the 380 and 500 classes only for a very long time. But budget is budget and if I want a new Heli it might come to that. A big part of what drives me to a Heli is looks so definitely an Oxy would have to be the TE. That is also why I swapped my canopies from stock. Although I am totally hooked on SAB quality, simple design and flight characteristics.

Originally Posted by Diogenes

Decided to keep my 360cfx. I have nearly another airframe for it. I take it out and bash with it every once in a while, within reason. It's got nice servos (omg x1) on it, so I dont want to tear them up. Once I wipe it or get tired of it, the electronics will go on the oxy4 kit I plan on buying next spring, after the government takes a bite out of my butt

[oliver1071]

Originally Posted by toadiscoil

You have way too many helis for my taste my friend. The only other one I plan on getting is a Goblin 500 Sport but I don't know if that can happen next year. Hopefully it does. I want to convert one of the 380's possibly Enzo to a 3 blade and I think with the high cost of the upgrade I might be better off just buying the KSE kit and keeping the rest as spares. Or I might go cheap and smaller and get an Oxy 3 Tareq but I really like the 380 so I think a 500 would suit me better. As good as everyone says the Oxy 3 is I see myself on the 380 and 500 classes only for a very long time. But budget is budget and if I want a new Heli it might come to that. A big part of what drives me to a Heli is looks so definitely an Oxy would have to be the TE. That is also why I swapped my canopies from stock. Although I am totally hooked on SAB quality, simple design and flight characteristics.

You know there isn't such a thing as too many heli's

[Waxxingibbous]

Yeah anytime I get a package I video record the up boxing moment and inspect the package....in today's world a mans word is often discounted and isn't looking out for your best interest. Doesn't justify the poor sale etiquette but upon video unboxing and seeing everything not as advertised prompts me looking to return/refund immediately. It's usually a bad sign of things to come. Sorry you had that one expierence.

[Diogenes]

You know there isn't such a thing as too many heli's

This......

Nearly all of them were bought used, so the outlay wasnt as much as you might think.

[explorin]

The sad truth is buy used, buy the blues.

When I buy used, I know I can put a minimum 10% of the purchase cost to make it right. With tearing the heli down, inspecting it, and rebuilding it. Its almost not worth it. Sometimes everything is how it should be. Sometimes you wonder how it took off without tearing itself apart. I got a heli that was advertised assembled, never flown. When I got it, the tail pinion was loaded with rubber from the belt. Upon inspection it had missed matched tail blades. The guy probably ran it up and it vibrated like crazy so no way it took off. it was true it was never flown..all though miss leading. Among other issues that was the most obvious. I may be more tedious than others when I buy used, but I have to know it's assembled correctly. And you can find out very quickly if it was put together properly, as well as loc tite in all the right places.

So what am I saying? Weigh the odds when buying used. 300 dollars you save buying a used 700 class heli may seem like alot but when you need to replace little things...it all adds up quickly.

[driftermickh]

Originally Posted by explorin

The sad truth is buy used, buy the blues.

When I buy used, I know I can put a minimum 10% of the purchase cost to make it right. With tearing the heli down, inspecting it, and rebuilding it. Its almost not worth it. Sometimes everything is how it should be. Sometimes you wonder how it took off without tearing itself apart. I got a heli that was advertised assembled, never flown. When I got it, the tail pinion was loaded with rubber from the belt. Upon inspection it had missed matched tail blades. The guy probably ran it up and it vibrated like crazy so no way it took off. it was true it was never flown..all though miss leading. Among other issues that was the most obvious. I may be more tedious than others when I buy used, but I have to know it's assembled correctly. And you can find out very quickly if it was put together properly, as well as loc tite in all the right places.

So what am I saying? Weigh the odds when buying used. 300 dollars you save buying a used 700 class heli may seem like alot but when you need to replace little things...it all adds up quickly.

Not knocking used birds or parts. What's your time worth, by the hour?
At my advanced age, after cancer, and everything involved in that, my
eyes aren't what they used to be. I'm a scale/sport type flyer. Keep it
close and keep it fun. But, when I need to work on something, I need to
use one of those lighted magnifiers. Hay, I'm 67, I accept that. But, I
won't go out of my way to buy birds I may need to work on before I
trust/fly them. That includes new, out of the box. YMMV, but, that's just
me. I can't say too much as I have a few pieces around here I will
need to put up for sale. Good luck.

Drifter...