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08-17-2011, 10:02 AM | #81 (permalink) | |
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20 feet out is not safe with any heli including a MCPx. yet people refer to that as a safe distance for a big heli? If your eyesight can not be corrected to be able to see a MCPx 40 feet out, then this might not be the best hobby for you. At our field if you set ANY heli out 20 feet and took off you would be immediately talked to even before you landed. I have also noticed that there were a LOT of posts stating that small is better to learn on and these posts were made by people that have never flown anything bigger than a 450 or maybe a "huge" 500. How would they know if it is any better to learn on a bigger heli. Our experience in the many years of teaching others to fly is that those that start with a bigger heli are far more likely to successfully learn to fly and stay in the hobby for many years.
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08-17-2011, 12:10 PM | #83 (permalink) | |
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Something to keep in mind, those of us that haven't ventured into larger helicopters yet are a little closer to the memory of having absolutely no real control, how hard and frustrating it was to learn initially. Speaking for myself, I'm sure the bigger helicopters are easier to fly for someone that knows how to fly them, but I'm sure glad I didn't go through the initial learning experience with one of them. I started flying a CP about a month after the mCPx came out. I now have a blade 400 and am building an X5 and am happy holding off on flying those until I have my inverted orientations and backwards flight down pat ( and it's not 105 degrees and humid outside.) From what I can gather getting into inverted and backwards flight after a few months is pretty quick. You should frequent the mCPx forums. There's a post you see come up quite a bit, and it goes something like this: I've progressed further in the last few months with an mCPx then in the last X years on my 450. Maybe this is just a case of "The times, they are a-changing." |
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08-17-2011, 12:16 PM | #84 (permalink) |
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No just trying to point out we don't really know if they are.
The reality is a lot of us got the gun safety talk when growing up. But most likely we didn't get the "Don't be an idiot and fire a 450 up in your living room." speech. |
08-17-2011, 12:38 PM | #85 (permalink) | |
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Heck,I thought 20ft was being nice.Every funfly/club ive been to you could take 5 step's and touch the heli ..
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08-17-2011, 12:57 PM | #86 (permalink) |
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Going out to harass someone while they're flying would be a million times more dangerous than a heli spooling up 20 feet away.
20 feet is plenty. An average house is not much wider than that.lol... Get a tape and pull out 20 feet.It's more than enough space. |
08-17-2011, 01:26 PM | #87 (permalink) | |
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First one is my 3rd month in the hobby and last is where im at now. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93DB1icoAnw[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYNG6ofU5eY[/ame] There's no way I would be where im at if I stuck with them tiny,twitchy money adding up heli's .I have no problem's what so ever going out and beating the living crap out of a 450 size heli now and have..Pretty much starting with the bigger heli's made it sooooo much easyer to control and fly small one's..I also learned on my own with no local help at all for 2 year's.All I had was this site and another which was not much different than someone helping in person.. Bigger is safer,easyer and all the help you need is here but hand's on is a plus..Don't let someone hold you back from doing what you wanna do..
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08-17-2011, 01:46 PM | #88 (permalink) |
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I see both sides of the argument, but videos like the one below just make me nerves suggesting a 500 as a beginner helicopter. Do they have control over this 500 to fly so close to themselves? Do they realize how dangerous this size helicopter is? Is this guy, one of the guys many have suggested to get a 500 to start with?
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBy5Amwr_sU&feature=player_embedded[/ame]
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08-17-2011, 01:49 PM | #89 (permalink) |
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this is similar to my progression. My first flight with my 600 should have been my first flight with a heli period. My 450's and 300's gave me problems that I never really got over...the twitcy thing. Took months of trying and never really progressed. Finally said screw it and planned on crashing my 600 (it had been sitting on a shelf for a year)
my first flight was awsome. I was still having problems hovering in one spot with the 450 but was rock solid on the 600. That same weekend I was doing loops and flips with the 600...yea I crashed but only becuase I had flipped to normal mode and forgot (went to do a low loop just before I landed and lost the HS) Since then I've only picked up the smaller birds maybe a dozen times.
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08-18-2011, 11:14 AM | #91 (permalink) |
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That sounds logical to me. I am new to this hobby and I have a bunch of small micros, one of them being a Walkera v120. I fly it in a park and sometimes, my knees shake just flying that thing and it does not have nearly the power that a trex 250 or higher has. And....it is a fp heli so that makes it easy. I have bought two recent trex helis and they are sitting in the closet in their cases until I can A) watch all the videos on this site that finless has created B) buy a really solid radio such as the jr 9503 which is what I want to give me the greatest shot at success C) successfully be able to setup the heli and understand it D) have some help. I respectfully disagree with the statement that one should buy the biggest heli they can afford bc I have fired up one of Walkera's 450 sized helis and the freakin power of that thing scares the crap out of me. I can't imagine a trex with an upgraded motor, smotther parts, etc. I say find a club and get hooked up with a pro, which is what i'm going to do after watching all the videos and completing my equipment. Right now, I am only flying Walkeras which are basically learner models for me and doing it in my backyard and indoors to get a feel for the game. Just my thoughts
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09-05-2011, 09:16 AM | #92 (permalink) |
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Safety glasses dark and clear are the least you can do
I think you have to know your limitations and know where throttle hold is. The thing with Heli's is its progressive. Every time you move into a new level of flying like say inverted, the danger goes up. You might have been fine upright in all orientations but now inverted its a whole new world and one little confusion could send the Heli flying into you are someone else with quickness. I'm thinking an easily portable fold up protection barrier about 4.5 feet high to stand behind would be a good idea when flying larger Helis.
I don't like my wife sitting on the front porch watching me fly the EXI 450 after the 2 separate cheap gyro failures I've had and she doesn't feel comfortable either. When you hear that joker spool up and hear those blades beating the air you know it has the potentiontial to harm you. The Blade SR on the other hand relaxes me and her a both. I think a good pair of clear safety glasses and a dark pair are the least any Heli Pilot can do when flying 450 and up size Heli's and it wouldn't hurt on smaller Helis. I have landed my EXI 450 twice with a feathering shaft bolt about to turn loose and slang a blade and once with the tail rotor feathering shaft bolt ready to turn loose and slang a blade. Its pretty scarry to think I was looking strait in line with those blades half the time I was flying with no safety glasses on. Heck even the Blade SR could easily take an eye out.
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09-25-2011, 02:33 PM | #93 (permalink) |
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[QUOTE][/I'm thinking an easily portable fold up protection barrier about 4.5 feet high to stand behind would be a good idea when flying larger Helis.
QUOTE] Yes! i had the same idea, i suggested it here but was greated with hoots. I'm thinking just 4 poles my height. Most here seem to have the skills, though, i'm amazed there aren't more injuries. Certainly shows it must get so that it seems very easy, but still one mistake and with crowds, like airshow risks. |
10-03-2011, 11:19 PM | #94 (permalink) |
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Simming is the way to learn!!
I started flying helis in august 2010, my first real heli was a t-rex 450 pro! I went to local fun flys in search of other heli pilots to seek advice and help! My only previous heli experience was a walkera hm ufly that i could not even hover!
I met a local pilot named Mike and he was extreamely honest and helpful!! Mike was into his second year of flying heli's and all self taught and might i add very costly. His first responce to me was good luck if your serious i will help as much as i can but keep in mind this hobby is extreamely costly! I asked him if he learnt on a simulator and mentioned he had one for about 6 months and it helped him alot! If i remember correctly he was using real flight! He said get rid of the FP and get a real heli. So i bought a 450 pro and Mike helped me get it all set up! Watching Mike spool the 450 up scared the crap outta me! His exact words where this is a very squirelly machine! I never did fly the 450 pro i instead sold it and bought a bigger more stable heli!! LOL a carbon fiber gaui 550 hurrincane! I have nothing but time on my hands due to a car accident and living on accident benefits so i spent the winter getting all the required parts to make the gaui air worthy. In the meantime being winter in canada i bought myself phonenix rc sim and found a guy on a different site that offered lessons! I did 3 lessons with CaptJac and was kindly told he had nothing more to teach me! I learnt rate mode to start flying. In january i had most of the parts to start getting the heli set up! I spent a few days over at Mikes house learning alot!! That was when Mike mentioned i should learn how to fly in heading hold! Over the winter i logged in well over 2000 hours of sim time! I even converted Mike into a phoenix rc sim user! It has taught me dam near everything i know with the exception of having a great teacher. In april of this year i hovered the 550 for the first time! My knees where shaking and i was extreamely terrified! I managed to hover for about 20 seconds and landed the heli with only a slight touch of the tail blades! For me having logged tons of hours on the sim and feelin confident in my hovering skills i can admit i found a t-rex 450 pro more intimidating then my gaui 550. The gaui was a great learner was stable and served me extreamely well! I started flying my gaui in april of this year and have since sold it! I now own 2 helicopters that i can honestly say do not fall into the beliefs of most of you here!! I can now hover in all orientations and fly circuits and do some mild sport flying! I always fly at a safe distance from myself and do not try to outfly my skill level!! When trying to learn new maneuvers and techniques i do so with the help of the sim! So my thoughts are this if you put the time in! Seek proper help and try to fly only at your skill level any size heli should be safe!! I just prefer the bigger birds! My current heli fleet consists of a T-rex 700 Helibug Gasser and Chaos 600!! |
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Step 1: Buy an Eflite MCX or similar and get comfortable hovering and flying in all orientations. (Feeling adventurous, skip step 1)
Step 2: Buy an Eflite 120SR or similar FP heli, get comfortable in all orientations and start having some fun with it. Step 3. Buy a RTF CP heli like a Blade SR, or Blade 400 or Blade 450 and get comfortable with it in all orientations and having some fun. Step 4. Buy a larger CP heli kit and go all out.
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10-18-2011, 08:21 AM | #96 (permalink) |
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Now, when you say the word noob what does that mean?
I think that it's impossible to understand the danger of an heli unless you've been hit by one. I've owned a 450 and am looking for a bigger heli because i can hardly see the ****er when doing anything but hovering. I had a mishap when working on it in the basement. There was blood all over the place and the skin flap on my hand turned black. It was entirely my fault, but because of that experience I am much more careful. I haven't flown in two years but am getting back into the hobby with a clone of a trex 550 and a logo 500se. If a big heli hits you then it's obvious that more damage will be dealt. The real point is, I don't think a newcomer (myself included) is any more likely to hit themselves with a bigger heli than they are with a smaller heli because of the increased stability and the bigger heli being easier to control.
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I started flying 2-3yrs ago with blade400 and no sim. Big mistake that kinda helped me. The only thing I could learn from that heli was that i needed sim, and that a blade400(b450 is the same heli blinged) will never teach a pilot anything except that helis suck. Which is not the case. Never could do anything with that heli aside from tail in hover even after getting rather good on phoenix flight sim. That said; GET A FLIGHT SIM FIRST and don't buy some small/cheap or large/expensive heli because you want to save$$/learn faster. I've learned every maneuver I can do (and I won't list them off to brag) on simulation and I've become quite proficient. Practice the sim until you can do a whole bunch of maneuvering successfully without crashing or flying into your virtual self or going over the flight line(behind your virtual self). Mainly practice the basics but get crazy with it too really push the limits on sim cause you learn from it without the safety risk/crash-cost( just be sure to never fly crazy with the real helis) then research(a lot) and choose the heli kit that best suits your needs. If you don't get what you like/want you'll never be happy with it. What I learn on sim translates directly to the real world, that is to say when I learned a set of control inputs to do a specific maneuver on sim and tried to do it in real life (with a good heli) the maneuver worked exactly the same only difference is my comfort level and nervousness in the real world does not exist in simulation( making me able to learn faster on sim)
Okay the b400 was a total waste of money but I'm glad I didn't buy a real heli before sim. After having sim a little while I got an angry chiuaua on a leash (at least that's what my align 450pro flybar felt like before I put the microbeast on it)(BTW FLYBARS SUCK TOO, BUT ITS REALLY GOOD TO LEARN ON AND CAN BE UPGRADED TO FLYBARLESS) Then added an align 600nitro to my fleet for about 6months- a year then sold it and got the new Compass 7HV, 12s P-Jive120v9, scorpion4035, microbeast, futaba servos all over it (LOVE IT). When I upgraded my 450pro to microbeast it unlocked my flying abilities and I now beat on that little b@st@rd like there's no tomorrow. I DO NOT FLY MY COMPASS 7HV LIKE THAT(YET). I have also not yet had a pilot error crash with either heli and the only incident i have had to date is when my left aileron align servo on 450pro locked up half way through flight(because they perform good but they're cheap so it failed on me) and I spent at least 1-2 minutes in every possible orientation figuring out how to fly with a 1/3 locked up cyclic(it just wanted to roll over and flip simultaneously) in order to bring it in to a safe LZ ( cause I fly the 450pro in risky areas(not safety risky, crash risky(over deep woods and near around trees)Not with the big Compass). managed to bring it nose in hard, just had to get it close enough and low enough, no decision to make it would be a thr hold crash landing for sure I already knew. It was dusk and I didn't want to be in the woods with a flash light all night possibly climbing a tall pine tree. Point is, It's not safer or easier to learn on any particular heli I would recommend after sim to get what you're most comfy with My 450pro is alot more twichy/responsive and harder to fly but my compass7hv is a lot faster and more dangerous. But keep in mind if a 450 size heli blades hit you full power in the side of the neck, YES, IT COULD KILL YOU, just like the big ones, but probably nowhere near as likely to happen as with a large one(death that is). The bigger it is the more dangerous, any size should always be handled with extreme caution noob or veteran pilot. Just so you know I'm 30 and I fly 3D just so you don't think I'm a sunday drive scale pilot or a hover master that doesn't do the danger, though I have a lot of respect for those guys cause they look awesome( the scale heli's), I like the insanity of 3D But if I live to get old and start crashing more than flying, then I might fly scale. Til then it's all out all the time. Oh, and it also doesn't matter what model you fly on sim or size as long as it's one that is more than capable of 3d flight( you won't learn any 3d flying a scale model on sim). so try'em all and choose one that feels the best to you(it will change over time as you learn). I prefer the henseleit or something like it on phoenix( but i switch it up all the time, thats why they're all on there) don't only practice with the sim version of the one you own they all do the same thing and it will never really feel like the real thing anyway. Plus it could help you decide what your first real one will be. I know this is contradictory to some of what I just said but my Compass7HV feels exactly like flight sim it's heli freakin amazing. Any heli can be over powered enough to make it fly just like the sim but if you can't fly( or fly good) It will be a lot easier to hurt/kill yourself/someone else with than starting with a smaller/weaker one. If you need to get to the top of a ladder do you try to get there with one step or allow each step to take you to a higher level? hope that helps some noobs decide. Everyone be safe and have fun. remember safety=fun with heli's. forgot to mention I have great vision (my eyes work good) so I can fly the 450pro all over the place and see it fine. i learned early on any aircraft at a distance can look like its in a different orientation than it really is so i rely on the feeling and my instinct to keep sky orientation and not looking at the position of the tail. The heli can look nose in when it's tail in and the reverse. I don't always pay attention to how it looks but have to rely on instinct like flying full scale by its gauges during a bad storm when visibility is low. So if you wear glasses/contacts you might want a bigger one or mid sized. Personally I think I learn more from the little one because it's less stable and crash cost is less if I do crash so I'm fly it all out constant stick bangin action. If I just learned tic-tocs on sim for example and want to do it in the real world I try it with the 450pro and once I've proven to myself that i can do that maneuver I would ease into doing it with the big one on which it feels easier because it has a much better and more stable flight characteristic(larger control surfaces, better quality electronics etc.) I would not be able to learn any faster with the larger one in fact maybe even learn slower because of the greater level of danger/intimidation that goes along with a larger machine. and that is exactly what they(machines) are and they all do the same thing. the way you set up your machine is the way that it will function it can be set up for sport/scale, for 3d, or wrong all together in which case it will fly wrong too.(or not at all). I've heard people refer to certain(blade400/450) helicopters as "it's own kind of animal" or "a whole nother kind of animal". First of all, they are not animals and should not be compared to animals. if you set up a heli and have checked over and over the whole thing and it still doesn't settle into a hover when you try to or just generally doesn't do what it should when you give stick inputs and fly it, SOMETHING IS WRONG, its a machine and although maybe slightly computerized does not have a mind of its own and should do exactly what you set it up to do otherwise there is a problem. Now, I don't know everything but when someone tells me their heli is "its own kind of animal" or "has a mind of its own", that right there tells me that they don't really know what their talking about. And I would definitely not want to be around them while they are flying(their animal with a mind of its own) unless we're on an AMA field(because their insurance will cover damages to me or my property. But I would certainly not spot for them, AMA field or not. machines is what this whole hobby is. It is not a hobby for people with no mechanical understanding. It is also not a hobby for lazy people It takes a lot of research and learning to fly and no one has the time to sit down with you and teach you everything(except paid instructors) and even an instructor can't teach you all the tweaks and mods(some are commons sense) and everything about it. and generally most people mostly know about the models they own. like I said before they all do the same thing. Learn on sim only. fly the real thing. whatever size is best for you after considering all the pros and cons. and always use all the common sense you possess. also click on this link: https://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=144276 :confused : : bs |
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Holy wall of text batman no one is going to read that. Paragraphs are your firend man
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Is a bigger heli more dangerous to a noob?
This 6 month old noob about lost his life to the so called safer 450 size heli so no,bigger isn't more dangerous to noob's..Just shows you shouldn't think a 450 size heli is safer because it's small and cute or has slower tip speed.Some people don't get it but I really hope this is a eye opener.
Heli he was flying was called a 3D twister ...Hope he recover's fast and glad he's able to talk about it.. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW3Dx-YPOy0[/ame]
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As for 500+ helis don't need one, don't want one and definately can't afford to crash one. A nice Beam Advance 450 FBL is the last heli I intend to buy. Don't want any more than 3. |
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