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z_man_95 · 10-23-2013, 10:40 PM

So I bit the bullet and purchased am AMP motor conversion kit (rebranded tiger 2814's @700kv) for my f550 with wkm. I now have surging. It happens regardless of whether it's in manual, atti, or gps mode.
Not sure where to begin trouble shooting. Any ideas?

Empire Support 3 · 10-24-2013, 10:59 AM

Stock esc or others?

z_man_95 · 10-24-2013, 02:45 PM

Sorry-
f550 with wkm, iosd, gps, aeroxcraft landing gear/gimbal, gopro3 with 2x 4s 5000mah.
The IMU is completely isolated and mounted on moon gel. All wiring is secured.
The motors are balanced pretty well, and the props are perfet (dynamic/static via dubro balancer).

z_man_95 · 10-24-2013, 11:00 PM

Double checked motors and changed to gemfan props, all good and balanced.
Was hovering about 5' up and it was surging then did the flip of death.
Broke a prop and bent the motor plate. Fixed it, put back the graupners. Going to try again tomorrow.
At this point I might give up on the motors and go back to stock.

Empire Support 3 · 10-25-2013, 08:48 AM

What's the weight of the craft? Two 5000 4s batteries does sound like to much imho.

z_man_95 · 10-25-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Empire Support 3

What's the weight of the craft? Two 5000 4s batteries does sound like to much imho.

8 lbs. (3.63kg) with two batteries.
6 lbs. 13 oz. (3.09kg) with only one battery.

clouseau · 10-25-2013, 06:57 PM

I'm also having a surging issue with my Naza-M V1 with the latest firmware 4.0 on it. If I recalibrate the compass, the surging will go away for a few flights, but then after that it will just start surging in no mater what mode I am in GPS Atti, Atti, manual. Oddly it only surges while the TBS Disco Pro is moving, If I stop moving...
it hovers fine and holds still without the surging.

It's driving me nutty... I'm thinking it's a firmware issue because I didn't have the issue until I upgraded two weeks ago.

z_man_95 · 10-25-2013, 08:18 PM

It seems I'm only surging while hovering. It gets worse in gps mode. I see it in manual mode so that's what has me stumped.

Empire Support 3 · 10-26-2013, 11:07 AM

In manual mode what stick position is hover? I am thinking that in GPS and ATTI she need overhead on throttle to control altitude. If this overhead is not there or close to max throttle you might see this type of behavior.

This might be a dumb question but you have tried messing with vertical gain adjustments? Any time you do add or remove weight to the craft, it does change things.

z_man_95 · 10-27-2013, 06:39 PM

Almost the mark below the mid stick mark.
I think my gains were too much.

Rumblecloud · 11-05-2013, 09:38 AM

Had the same issue after upgrading to 4.0 with a new 5000 mAh 3S batt.
I reentered all values, did the Advanced Calibration and the NAZA dance and the problem went away.

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z_man_95 · 11-06-2013, 09:10 AM

Well it was the arms. They were flexing really bad while using the extension plates. Put the motors directly on the arms, and problem solved. Just have to drop from 11x5 to 10x5 props. Throttle is just a little above mid stick.
Looking at these arms:
http://www.readymaderc.com/store/ind...oducts_id=1800

and try these props:
http://www.rctigermotor.com/html/2013/prop_0904/30.html

10-23-2013, 10:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
z_man_95 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Dec 2006	Surging problem So I bit the bullet and purchased am AMP motor conversion kit (rebranded tiger 2814's @700kv) for my f550 with wkm. I now have surging. It happens regardless of whether it's in manual, atti, or gps mode. Not sure where to begin trouble shooting. Any ideas?

10-24-2013, 02:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
z_man_95 Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Dec 2006	Woops! Sorry- f550 with wkm, iosd, gps, aeroxcraft landing gear/gimbal, gopro3 with 2x 4s 5000mah. The IMU is completely isolated and mounted on moon gel. All wiring is secured. The motors are balanced pretty well, and the props are perfet (dynamic/static via dubro balancer).

10-27-2013, 06:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
z_man_95 Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Dec 2006	Almost the mark below the mid stick mark. I think my gains were too much. __________________ Lynx 130X, Lynx 180x, Oxy 2, Oxy 5 HF, Goblin 380, Helimax MX450 FBL, Pantera 50 Nitro, Pantera 50 electric conversion w/ quattro head, and CYE Stingray 500.

11-05-2013, 09:38 AM	#11 (permalink)
Rumblecloud Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Aug 2010	Had the same issue after upgrading to 4.0 with a new 5000 mAh 3S batt. I reentered all values, did the Advanced Calibration and the NAZA dance and the problem went away. r __________________ rumblecloudrc.com: Copter X 450x2 \| Align 450SE V2 \| MCPX V2 x2 \| 1SQ \| Flamewheel 550 \| Naza M 4.0 \| GoPro Hero 3 Black \| GLB Brushless 2-axis gimbal \| Dominator FPV \| Bixler x2 \| Flying Wing \| HK Hex with KK2 V1.6++

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10-24-2013, 10:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Empire Support 3 Registered Users Join Date: May 2013	Stock esc or others?

10-24-2013, 11:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
z_man_95 Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Dec 2006	Double checked motors and changed to gemfan props, all good and balanced. Was hovering about 5' up and it was surging then did the flip of death. Broke a prop and bent the motor plate. Fixed it, put back the graupners. Going to try again tomorrow. At this point I might give up on the motors and go back to stock.

10-25-2013, 08:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
Empire Support 3 Registered Users Join Date: May 2013	What's the weight of the craft? Two 5000 4s batteries does sound like to much imho.

10-25-2013, 06:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
clouseau HF MR Support Join Date: Mar 2012	I'm also having a surging issue with my Naza-M V1 with the latest firmware 4.0 on it. If I recalibrate the compass, the surging will go away for a few flights, but then after that it will just start surging in no mater what mode I am in GPS Atti, Atti, manual. Oddly it only surges while the TBS Disco Pro is moving, If I stop moving... it hovers fine and holds still without the surging. It's driving me nutty... I'm thinking it's a firmware issue because I didn't have the issue until I upgraded two weeks ago.

10-25-2013, 08:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
z_man_95 Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Dec 2006	It seems I'm only surging while hovering. It gets worse in gps mode. I see it in manual mode so that's what has me stumped.

10-26-2013, 11:07 AM	#9 (permalink)
Empire Support 3 Registered Users Join Date: May 2013	In manual mode what stick position is hover? I am thinking that in GPS and ATTI she need overhead on throttle to control altitude. If this overhead is not there or close to max throttle you might see this type of behavior. This might be a dumb question but you have tried messing with vertical gain adjustments? Any time you do add or remove weight to the craft, it does change things.

11-06-2013, 09:10 AM	#12 (permalink)
z_man_95 Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Dec 2006	Well it was the arms. They were flexing really bad while using the extension plates. Put the motors directly on the arms, and problem solved. Just have to drop from 11x5 to 10x5 props. Throttle is just a little above mid stick. Looking at these arms: http://www.readymaderc.com/store/ind...oducts_id=1800 and try these props: http://www.rctigermotor.com/html/2013/prop_0904/30.html

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