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02-01-2012, 09:44 PM | #41 (permalink) | |
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I don't exactly agree with your analogy of rate mode gyros and flybars but it's ok. You don't have to agree with me and I don't need you to see it my way. Calling BS on me was rather rude and inappropriate. I think some of the things I have to say are worth listening to but I'm the type to say "I don't know" if I really don't know rather than pretending to know. But hey, what do I know?... This is me with a FLYBAR after 1.5 years in the hobby [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqUuy-Yil7E&list=UU6dseVkplQxOn0HDpLqQ3WQ&index=25&featu re=plcp[/ame] |
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02-01-2012, 10:30 PM | #42 (permalink) | |
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Before someone come's back and say's the flybar is a gyro or whatever,tell me how to put it in rate mode or heading hold .All you can do is adjust servo travel and nothing more .. Your flybar experience is with a Eflight heli.Sorry but that's why you had a bad experience.
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02-01-2012, 10:57 PM | #43 (permalink) |
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BTW,
Not being mean or anything by saying that about the Eflight flybar heli you had.I owned a few myself and they have more slop than my flying lol..
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02-01-2012, 11:42 PM | #44 (permalink) | |
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think about how the flybar works its a mechanical rate gyro
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02-02-2012, 12:14 AM | #45 (permalink) | |
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Oh oh, I wonder if you will ignite a "stab bars are not gyroscopes" discussion!
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02-02-2012, 12:17 AM | #46 (permalink) |
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if you want to get technical our "gyros" arnt really gyros but accelerometers lol so really other then old rate gyros from the late 80's early 90's we havent been using real gyros for years
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02-02-2012, 12:20 AM | #47 (permalink) |
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I'm staying out of it
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02-02-2012, 02:33 AM | #49 (permalink) |
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Went from hovering my MCPx in wind to flying circuits and doing loops/rolls and now inverted flight on my 700E without really learning to fly flybar. (My B450 doesn't really count as I never really hovered well with it before I crashed and retired it as I didn't want to rebuild that complex head) FB is old school and unnecessary for new pilots.
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02-02-2012, 02:40 AM | #50 (permalink) |
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+1.
JUst like with cars, if you have no reason to drive a manual car there is no need to learn how to drive one.. Same applies to FB/FBL helis. If you do get the urge to try a FB after flying a FBL for ages its not going to be a big deal you will still be able to fly it. |
02-02-2012, 08:20 AM | #51 (permalink) | |
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A FBL unit has 3 built in rate mode gyro's for the head,that's why it helps correct. A Tail gyro had Rate and heading hold.Rate mode help's correct and heading hold doesn't move until you move it. A flybar doesn't have anything but your finger's and the pilot does every bit of the correcting.So no,it's not a gyro..It doesn't help correct like rate mode and it doesn't 100% correct like heading hold.
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02-02-2012, 08:47 AM | #52 (permalink) |
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Once a guy has learned how to hover and not crash every time they takeoff, then I am going to say that cheap nitro will be a great way to get FT.
Everyone is different, and we all have our opinions, FB, FBL is a debate that will rage for the ages. Some clear pluses to FBL, yes they are a bit easier to learn on, because they react, more linear to your input, yes the parts count goes down, read this as less mechanical failures! Con... they cost more, they allow more energy to transfer into the head on crashes.
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02-02-2012, 09:00 AM | #53 (permalink) | |
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what do you think the flybar does then? its not on there for looks it does the same thing a rate gyro does
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02-02-2012, 10:06 AM | #54 (permalink) |
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Yes this conversation has lot's of laughs... Funny play on words, the fact that a modern "gyro" has no gyro in it at all, in fact it has nothing mechanical in it either!
Early two axis gyro! this one is the brain child of Jimmy Doolittle where is the "gyro in there?
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02-02-2012, 10:13 AM | #55 (permalink) |
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It's ok,later..
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02-02-2012, 10:30 AM | #56 (permalink) |
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A flybar is very much a mechanical gyro. To say it doesn't make any corrections is not a true statement. It does do some corrections. If you, would like to test it out for yourself fly a helicopter with no flybar or electronic flybarless system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscope
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02-02-2012, 10:40 AM | #57 (permalink) |
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One more thing I didn't comment on, I would recommend an electric for a beginner. UNLESS you have prior nitro experience, engine tuning & clutch setup is not for newbs unless there's someone at the field willing to put the time in teaching those skills. It's much easier to teach somebody not to discharge their lipos below 80% on the web, it's another to teach someone how to set their mixing screws on the carb. Not in helis, but I've seen too many newbs fry $300-$500 nitro motors on their first few tanks due to too lean settings.
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02-02-2012, 11:29 AM | #58 (permalink) |
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The gyro is in those little tin cans, 3 of them in fact, and really what they are are little mem's sensors that detect acceleration. Think little swaying bridge, which as it sways changes it's electrical properties, so it is indeed mechanical too, but with an electrical component also.
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02-02-2012, 01:50 PM | #59 (permalink) |
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Gyros spin! SMM does not spin, hence there is NO GYRO. Yes they call them gyroscopes, because of the nature of what they do, but there is no spinning gyroscope inside them...
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02-02-2012, 02:24 PM | #60 (permalink) |
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and you think that all modern gyroscopes must spin? Here ya go luddite
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/01/03/sc...pagewanted=all
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