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05-25-2012, 09:05 AM | #181 (permalink) | |
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I have some picture of the instillation on helicopter and airplane that I took earlier in the year. I will try to post them later today. The altimeter is the beta unit and not in the case that will be used on the public version. Jack
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05-25-2012, 09:05 AM | #182 (permalink) |
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I'm a near complete newbie,but watching this thread with obvious interest. The hard deck idea seems straightforward, but I wonder how relevant it is to the likes of me who spend their life still 2 feet off the hardest deck of all. It seems this ([ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td5dVxTrygU[/ame]) is going to be of more use to me?
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05-25-2012, 09:06 AM | #183 (permalink) |
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Thanks Jack would love to see it.
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05-25-2012, 09:06 AM | #184 (permalink) |
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I'm also surprised by all of the negative reactions. But I am a new guy and have not had any bad experiences with anything like this.
Do we know know what the cost is going to be? When I buy a 550 or 600 and start practicing relatively simple stuff (to a lot of you!), just things like upright backwards circuits and inverted flight forwards and backwards, if I can set the height to like 10-15 feet and have it save my ass when I'm about to take a dive into the dirt it seems like it could have value to me! Backwards flight characteristics are so different and one wrong input can have you headed for the ground real quick! There are a lot of people just getting started in this hobby and something like this could really help people improve without getting completely frustrated by crashing every other week! I'm also learning completely on my own (with the help of the internet), so crashing and rebuilding can be very frustrating. The internet has a lot of great videos and info, but trying to repair a heli as a complete RC noob can be very daunting. Add that to any maiden flights that result in terrible crashes due mainly to mistakes made during the repairs can be enough for a lot of people to give up! If the price is right, I am sure there are plenty of people out there willing to give it a try! |
05-25-2012, 09:09 AM | #185 (permalink) |
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Thanks for the quick response.
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05-25-2012, 09:14 AM | #186 (permalink) |
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Thanks for sharing all your feedback Jack Doherty. It sure looks interesting.
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05-25-2012, 09:15 AM | #187 (permalink) |
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This is a prime example of a passive aggressive insult. You imply here that everyone else's opinions besides yours are based on fiction.
Is the 50ft limit not a fact? That is what most of us are discussing at this point. Certainly you can defend the product you are so obviously biased towards without insulting anyone who offers a negative opinion. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
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05-25-2012, 09:18 AM | #188 (permalink) | |
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No it does not take the place of the FBL. CoPilot HD will work with FBL units where the receiver and the FBL unit are separate. It also works with fly bar helicopter that have CCPM or mechanical collective. You would need to purchase a CoPilot HD in addition to what you are currently flying. However, if you already own a CoPilotII you only need to purchase the hard deck module to be in business. The CoPilotII would need a version update but that is free over the inter net from FMA. Jack
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05-25-2012, 09:21 AM | #189 (permalink) | |
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It has also been said that the 50ft limit is not set in stone and might change, and I don't think anyone would disagree with you that 50ft is way too high and pretty useless. If they can't get it down to at least like 20ft, it will lose a lot of its value to me. |
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05-25-2012, 09:22 AM | #190 (permalink) | |
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Will you have the ability to turn the “hard deck” system on and off easily (I apologize if this has already been answered)? I guess my question is - could one helicopter have the system installed and turned on to practice new moves above 50’ and then turned off when the pilot wants to perform maneuvers he’s comfortable with under 50’? Or would the individual need two helicopters (one with the system installed and the other without)? |
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05-25-2012, 09:27 AM | #191 (permalink) |
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I was taught to fly by Co-Pilot II. Started with CP-II at 100% stabilization, and reduced it every weekend, till it was at around 30%, then found it was getting in my way, so I switched it off. Now I can fly without CP-II, but it's still installed, so that I can use it whenever. All it cost was 4 crashes, 2 due to mechanical issues and 2 into trees.
Basically, if I'd learnt the old way, I'd have been bankrupt by now and out of the hobby. Simple. Now, I fly with CP-II completely off, yet available on a switch and it still saves one of my helis at least once a weekend. In order to have enough time to get to the switch, I practice 50metres(150 ft) up. I see this simply as an automated way of switching CP-II on, so now I can come a bit lower with my practice, because the Hard-Deck will get to the switch far quicker than I can. I cannot see much negative to this unit at all.
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05-25-2012, 09:30 AM | #192 (permalink) | |
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You and yours who are posting are entitled to your opinions, The HD minimum height may be altered some where down stream, that is up to the developers and what they would constitute a safe and reliable window for operation, with out pilots forcing the system in to a crash condition by over flying a minimum height for HD , then go and blame the manufacturer that the platform does not function as advertised.
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05-25-2012, 09:34 AM | #193 (permalink) | |
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05-25-2012, 09:38 AM | #194 (permalink) | |
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Yes the 50 ft. limit is a fact with the current programming. We will work to lower it but only time will tell. Jack
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05-25-2012, 09:45 AM | #196 (permalink) |
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All I'm saying is that if it works as good as their chargers do then we should get an auto 3D/smack button.
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05-25-2012, 09:46 AM | #197 (permalink) |
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You can slowly reduce throttle/collective through the HD for landing
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05-25-2012, 09:49 AM | #198 (permalink) | |
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Absolutely. A two position remote switch can turn the CoPilotII completely off in one position and HD ON in the second position as with a DX7 or if you transmitter (eg. DX8) has a three position switch: one position could be OFF the second position can be the Hard Deck mode and the third position could be any other mode available with CoPilotII HD. Jack
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05-25-2012, 10:23 AM | #199 (permalink) | |
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Landing can be accomplished two ways: 1) Switch CoPilot OFF and land normal with out CoPilot assist (stabilization). 2) Landing can be very strange at first if HD mode is switched to the ON position. It goes something like this. a) if the helicopter is less than 30 degrees off level and you lower the throttle/collective and you contact the hard deck then CoPilot stabilization automatically turns on and you have assist (stabilization) all the way down to the landing. During this time 50 ft. down to 0 ft. it will become impossible to roll or flip the helicopter upside down. b) but if the helicopter is more than 30 degrees off level the Emergency Recovery will trigger, momentarily taking control of the cyclic and pitch. The helicopter will be leveled and CoPilot will give 8 degrees positive pitch until the helicopter is level then emergency recovery ends. This can look strange, and at first surprising. Basically it will cause the helicopter to bounce off the hard deck but if the collective pitch is lowered sufficiently to prevent the helicopter from ascending above the hard deck again, then the helicopter will stay stable and not enter the Emergency Recovery again. Wow, sounds complicated but not really after you become accustomed to it. However, another option is available and is what I often do and that is a combination of the two instances mentioned above. If I am about to land and above 50 ft. I switch CoPilot off then after descending below the set hard deck I turn CoPilot back on to again have CoPilot stabilization from that point on to the landing. Jack
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