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09-08-2013, 11:55 PM | #201 (permalink) |
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09-09-2013, 12:14 AM | #203 (permalink) |
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Re: Man killed in RC helicopter accident in Brooklyn Seaviewrotarywings@gmail.com
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09-09-2013, 12:19 AM | #204 (permalink) | |
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Man killed in RC helicopter accident in Brooklyn Seaviewrotarywings@gmail.com
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09-09-2013, 12:30 AM | #205 (permalink) |
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I am new to Helis but not aero modeling in general. The discipline I come from has instituted some safety restrictions over the years and they have taken hold over our community as a whole and people simply don't do the things the way the older guys used to.
I come from control line aerobatics. The model is tethered and never further than 70' away. The IC motors are started at full song and are usually .65-.75 sized motors. Two examples of safety regs that have taken hold are the safety thong and the starting stick. A safety thong is a strap on my handle that connects to my wrist. If the handle comes out of my hand, and it has happened, the thong pulls tight and the plane is dumped and wont get away and into anyone standing close by, judges/spectators. On my way up the ladder I NEVR EVER EVER EVER practiced with a safety thong. It was always a pain in the ass to use and too much hassle. It was uncomfortable. I just used one in competition. One evening I was flying with my brother and his son. For some odd reason I had a thong on. I guess I was getting ready for the up coming competition. I was at the end of the flight waiting for the shut down and land procedure. I was about 6' off the deck as normal. The model is still in full speed flight, about 60 mph real speed. This is a 65" wing span on a Saito 72 with a 15" carbon prop. A dove sitting on the edge of the circle took off just as a flew over and it stuck my control lines sending an oscillation up the lines and jerked the handle from my hand. The thong pulled tight and the plane dumped in about 10' from my nephew. If I had not been wearing the thong it would have hit him. I will never fly again without one. My kids will always wear them as well. Now if I have to go without one for some reason, training others etc I am extremely aware and very nervous. As the years have gone by the newer guys coming into the sport dont even know you can fly without one. Its just a given or you will be asked to not fly do to safety regulations. Another example is the starting stick. I fly larger motors in my discipline and but an electric starter is not the way to go. Hand starting is more consistent. The old guys just stick their fingers in there and go, even on the 15" carbon props. NOT SMART! But when I went to the larger motors about 10-12 years ago I started using a piece of heater hose as my chicken stick.. I am so used to it I start my .15 sized motors with it. It's force of habit. Its not a regulation by any known group but one I have on myself that i adhere too. I also see alot of up and comers doing the same thing. They just dont hand start like the old days. Fingers over the prop are not smart and its a good thing people are getting away from that in our sport. I feel that if competition and funfly demos would put a hard deck and a distance regulation and enforce it with a "one warning then you are out" policy the pilots would then need to practice routines and flying at the new prescribed regulations. After a while close in flying would not be such a normal occurrence and when it did happen it would be very easy to see just how dangerous it really is. It would be self regulating after a while and the newer guys coming up would already practice at the new regulations and wouldn't know any better. . It would become a normal way or operation in no time. Are the organizers really ready to handle this?? It only takes one brave organizer to blaze the trail of safety. I promise you it wont deter the interest in the hobby one bit, but might actually enhance it.
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09-09-2013, 02:19 AM | #206 (permalink) |
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having a disscusion , and being disrespectful due to the circumstances are 2 wayyy different things. keep this in mind people.
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09-09-2013, 05:04 AM | #207 (permalink) |
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It's sad to see all these comments about whether or not these are toys, the cause of the accident, the way hew flew and if his flying style was his downfall.
This is not the time nor the correct thread for these types of comments. I never new Roman or his family but I feel sorry for them in two ways, their loss and the unneeded comments on the thread. I'm an admin on a few sites and if this happened on any of mine I would be knocking some heads together. RIP Roman, my condolences to his family. And I hope they don't see this thread. All the above is just my personal opinion.
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09-09-2013, 06:19 AM | #209 (permalink) | |
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This is the scariest Tareq Alsaadi video I have seen so far, being done at a public place and at night as well. He is not invincible either and I have seen videos of him crashing. |
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09-09-2013, 07:55 AM | #210 (permalink) |
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Who cares if people want answers now. Speculation doesn't give them answers, it gives them nothing but speculation. People that want answers want the truth...not speculation.
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09-09-2013, 09:13 AM | #211 (permalink) |
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I agree. The truth about what happened (with out graphic details) is what's going to help prevent something like this from happening again. If he was flying to close, then so be it. That was his choice and it's fine, so long as no one else was put in danger. People participate in extreme sports all the time that put themselves in danger. Look at the recent death of the guy who bounced himself off a mountain side while skimming the surface in a wing suit. Extreme sport with extreme danger. Now if what I've read elsewhere is true and this young man had a GoPro running, I think the vid should be released (obviously stopped a moment before impact) to let everyone see exactly what happened. If the heli folded or some other mechanical problem can be seen before it hit him, then we'll know. If he just flew it into himself, then let if be shown so others thinking about that flying style can think twice about it. Especially the younger, more impressionable kids who are attending flyins. His death is absolutely tragic and my heart goes out to his family, but I certainly hope the cause of it is not sugar coated when a very valuable lesson could be learned from it.
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09-09-2013, 11:41 AM | #212 (permalink) | |
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09-09-2013, 12:58 PM | #213 (permalink) |
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In all of this has anyone seen anything written by, spoken with or heard in ANY way from any of the top level pro pilots? I've heard Todd Benett speak out against this type of flying. I think it was he who told me of a competition a few years back where one of the judges, perhaps Jason Krause?, stopped the proceedings long enough to hold a safety stand down. Lately I've heard nothing from any of our "supposed" industry leaders. Has anyone else wondered where they are?
In racing it often took the top drivers stepping up and saying. "Hey guys, we just lost a friend here and not to something we didn't all see coming which is the saddest part of it all. It's time that we as a peer group get together and do something about it. Theres no point looking at the past in an attempt to incriminate. Whats done is done & to one extent or another we've all either been willing participants or complicit in granting our approval through lack of word or action. We need to look to the future and again, as a group, find a way to continue participating in the sport we love while finding a way to mitigate these known risks to the best of our abilities." To a large extent public culture and behavior starts at the top with those in the public spot light. You guys have a choice. Action or inaction. Either will have an impact going forward. I realize that many of you are still barely more than teenagers, nevertheless, you are for the most part of legal age and in a position of leadership. I ask you what kind of legacy do you want to be remembered for in the years and decades to come? As an absolute nobody in this hobby I issue this challenge to the aforementioned. Time to lead fella's! |
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Well said Steve. I have to wonder though, when flights by world champions - that are promoted by the manufacturers representatives - contain things like this, is anything ever going to change?
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09-09-2013, 04:51 PM | #215 (permalink) |
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I don't think it's a good thing he died. I do think some good things can happen because of it. I can't make anyone do anything different but there people out there with influence that can. I wouldn't think any less of a pilot's skills if some distance was put between them and a wicked fast hurricane.
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09-09-2013, 05:24 PM | #216 (permalink) |
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To the person who PM'd me saying my post was very distasteful and the picture was removed by a moderator - I did not post anything out of mal-intent - it came straight from a new site!
And to whoever says it's a good thing this happened - what a shitty attitude! It's terrible news, and I've already posted my condolences on a few of his youtube videos (that I'm sure his family will be watching / seeing) Very sad news indeed.
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09-10-2013, 08:35 PM | #217 (permalink) |
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ive really been thinking about this a lot. I cant even imagine what his father must be going through, having been there, and having to witness it. just devastated.
having seen his videos, he seems like such a good kid, which is becoming a rarity in these times. badass pilot too. much love brother.
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09-10-2013, 11:21 PM | #218 (permalink) | |
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The Media likes to over dramatize the story.. Lets get this clear. The father was not there to witness the accident. He was not at the field. They like to make up stuff to get things to sell. Also there was a video of a so called expert "WheyRoberts" , who indicated that,"looking by the video of him flying i could tell that there was something going on with the heli as there was a lot of oscillation". That video was not of him flying a heli, it was a qav 500 that I helped build and they were maidening. Junior would never attempt to land a trex 700 at a table he was sitting in.
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09-11-2013, 05:31 AM | #219 (permalink) |
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Most importantly, this discussion sheds a light on the potential risks.
Many hobbies have them. And it's good to be aware of them. As with scuba diving, rock climbing and skydivers wing suits, there's a certain amount of danger lurking. No matter what it is, take the necessary precautions, and don't do anything that puts other people at risk.
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09-11-2013, 06:06 AM | #220 (permalink) |
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For the next few months while this is fresh in the public mind (if they have one) when flying in a public place and someone objects to that dangerous thing, best you smile, make agreeable noises, pack it up and leave.
By Christmas time it will all be forgotten and business as usual. |
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