Logo 600se 6s setup

[raptorz499]

^^^what motor, esc, and pinion?

[michaelm0020]

I'm using an old(er) Align 700mx 510kv motor, YEP120 low voltage with a 14 tooth pinion.

[Funky]

It also works extremely well as a high speed 550 heli. At 2300 on 6s the motor doesn't get too hot, lipos stay relatively cool and the ESC handles it very well. I have 2 Trex 550s, an e5 and a Logo 600 and the Logo is probably my favorite 6s 550 I have owned/flown. If they changed the Mod 1 gearing a bit, redesigned the battery tray (I am aware of the v2 frames) and gave more room for mounting the servos it would probably be my favorite 550.

Oddly enough the Logo 600 is also my lightest 550

[mrhythm]

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread.

I have a new to me Logo 600 SE V1 that I want to turn into a low head speed bird.

My question is “Will Castle Creations Phoenix ICE2 HV 80 Brushless ESC up to task?”

It will be setup with following:

SCORPION HK-4035-500KV
15T Pinion
6S 5000mAH

Thanks in advance.

[STAZZ]

Originally Posted by mrhythm

My question is “Will Castle Creations Phoenix ICE2 HV 80 Brushless ESC up to task?”

6S setup will demand more amps compared to 12S, so the answer is "NO". As an example on my Logo550SX which is a 6S heli by itself I often see spikes around 160-180A. Thinking that 600-610mm blades will make all the electronics to work harder you should go with at least 120A esc, IMHO.

Originally Posted by mrhythm

SCORPION HK-4035-500KV

This is a 12S motor, it won't be able to deliver same power on 6S as it would on 12S. Pyro 650-103L with 11T would be a better option (it's also 160g ligher than 4035-500kv).

[GimpyGolden]

Originally Posted by STAZZ

6S setup will demand more amps compared to 12S, so the answer is "NO". As an example on my Logo550SX which is a 6S heli by itself I often see spikes around 160-180A. Thinking that 600-610mm blades will make all the electronics to work harder you should go with at least 120A esc, IMHO.


This is a 12S motor, it won't be able to deliver same power on 6S as it would on 12S. Pyro 650-103L with 11T would be a better option (it's also 160g ligher than 4035-500kv).

Wrong.
He wants low RPM, 500Kv running off 6S will have very low draw and 80A ESC will be fine. Typically running a 12 cell setup at around half it's normal rpm your current draw will be between 1/4 to 1/2 of normal 12S head speeds.
Gov isn't going to function well at the lower power level so just run 100% throttle and get what you get.
Even if he decided later to run on 10/12 cell that ESC will have him covered for a 600se, keeping in mind 1800rpm max.

[Dennis P]

Originally Posted by GimpyGolden

Wrong.
He wants low RPM, 500Kv running off 6S will have very low draw and 80A ESC will be fine. Typically running a 12 cell setup at around half it's normal rpm your current draw will be between 1/4 to 1/2 of normal 12S head speeds.
Gov isn't going to function well at the lower power level so just run 100% throttle and get what you get.
Even if he decided later to run on 10/12 cell that ESC will have him covered for a 600se, keeping in mind 1800rpm max.

Totally agree , if you are geared for 1000 to 1200 rpm the amp draw will be down low and 80-100 amp esc is plenty. Now if for some reason you decide to gear it up and spin 1600 and up with 6s you will start drawing some higher amps and it will defeat the whole purpose of the low headspeed 6s
project. Most are run on 80-100 amp esc's if trying to keep them light. The 4035-500 should be fine but it would not hurt to drop the pinion down a tooth or 2 depending on what you are planning to do. Are you running it on the castle gov, FBL gov or endpoints? I am assuming 690mm mainblades also..

[bikneli]

Originally Posted by Dennis P

Totally agree , if you are geared for 1000 to 1200 rpm the amp draw will be down low and 80-100 amp esc is plenty.
The 4035-500 should be fine but it would not hurt to drop the pinion down a tooth or 2 depending on what you are planning to do.
I am assuming 690mm mainblades also..

Agreed on the pinion......15 would be pretty tall IMO....11/12 maybe.

I run 6s on 500kv/80hv Jive/11t.......very nice.

[mrhythm]

Originally Posted by Dennis P

Totally agree , if you are geared for 1000 to 1200 rpm the amp draw will be down low and 80-100 amp esc is plenty. Now if for some reason you decide to gear it up and spin 1600 and up with 6s you will start drawing some higher amps and it will defeat the whole purpose of the low headspeed 6s
project. Most are run on 80-100 amp esc's if trying to keep them light. The 4035-500 should be fine but it would not hurt to drop the pinion down a tooth or 2 depending on what you are planning to do. Are you running it on the castle gov, FBL gov or endpoints? I am assuming 690mm mainblades also..

I originally planned on 15T thinking it would be better. I will definitely go for 13T pionion. I will run CC governor and 690 main blades, unless you tell me otherwise.

[Dennis P]

Originally Posted by mrhythm

I originally planned on 15T thinking it would be better. I will definitely go for 13T pionion. I will run CC governor and 690 main blades, unless you tell me otherwise.

The castle gov will lower you more than either of the other options I mentioned . It really depends what you are wanting for RPM. With the 14 tooth you would max out around 1350 with the castle , and just over 1220 with the 13 tooth.
This is one of my favorite 600SE low headspeed videos. It is old but enjoyable with no head banger music playing that covers up the heli sound!

Spinblades - Logo 600 SE with 710H - 1000 RPM (6 min 21 sec)

[shadco]

Originally Posted by Dennis P

The castle gov will lower you more than either of the other options I mentioned . It really depends what you are wanting for RPM. With the 14 tooth you would max out around 1350 with the castle , and just over 1220 with the 13 tooth.
This is one of my favorite 600SE low headspeed videos. It is old but enjoyable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yntue...layer_embedded

Linky no worky


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[Dennis P]

Originally Posted by shadco

Linky no worky


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Thanks, all is fixy now

[Luigi_tuga]

Mine is setup with a 450 kv 13t and gov at 95.
1100,1000 and 900 rpm just for fun.

[Epoweredrc]

okay this looks like the right spot to ask this.. i'm getting a used
logo 600 se with Scorpion NextD 560kv Black motor with a 120amp HV esc has Edge se 693mm main Blades He flys it on 10S 4400mah now but I want to know would i be able to fly it with my 4000/5000mah 6S packs, or, he has it like Y off the ESC could I hook a 6s and maybe like a 2S up to it? I have no clue what main gear or pinion he has on it.

My father has a logo 690 and its got a 120A esc and 690 blades the guy he got it from flew that one on 6s then dad bumped it up with a 6s and a 2s to get 8s but think he had some funky connector to do that.. I'm horrible with parallel and series adapters and connections
Im not a crazy 3D pilot I enjoyed dads 690 with 6s with slow headspeed sometimes it was nice and relaxing
Thanks

[GimpyGolden]

If you plan to keep it 6S permanently you can knock off the 'Y' cable.
If you want to keep the versatility to run other Voltages make up a Jumper to plug into one of the existing connectors.

I think with the 560Kv on 6S it will be nice setup. Assuming it's got an 11 tooth pinion you are going to get around 11-1200rpm Gov'd. Perfect on a light weight "700"
If it doesn't have em already stick on some 105mm or even 115mm tails if you keep the revs low. Make sure also you have new tail hub with M3 screws securing grips to hub.

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by GimpyGolden

If you plan to keep it 6S permanently you can knock off the 'Y' cable.
If you want to keep the versatility to run other Voltages make up a Jumper to plug into one of the existing connectors.

I think with the 560Kv on 6S it will be nice setup. Assuming it's got an 11 tooth pinion you are going to get around 11-1200rpm Gov'd. Perfect on a light weight "700"
If it doesn't have em already stick on some 105mm or even 115mm tails if you keep the revs low. Make sure also you have new tail hub with M3 screws securing grips to hub.

Thank you for the reply he said it does have the 11 tooth he said it has the stock herringbone main gear on it he believes its a106T

he has a EC5 on both sides of the Esc. so i would guess I could just plug in a 6S to one side and leave other side with nothing.. guess when I get it I take pics and post how itis wired for sure.
he was using a 10S (2 5s) packs made together with he plugged in one 5s to both connectors coming off the esc.
I just looked at my fathers and he only has the Castle 80HV esc on his heli.

I don't know what all i fly in it but be nice to have a few different ones to fly not sure if my Throttle curves would need to be changed big time to go from a 10s to a 6s

[Freeskiken]

I tried running my Logo 600 SE with a 4035-450 Scorpion Motor and a Tribunus 200 amp esc, on 6S last year. I was running 1150 rpm. At the end of the flight it would slow down to about 1000 rpm. It’s fun but you don’t have enough power. I guess it depends on how you want to fly.

Running a dedicated 10S or 12S system with a low KV motor and the smallest pinion would give you low rpm, long flight times and still enough power to do slow 3D maneuvers.

I am going to put a low KV motor in mine this winter. I bought a Hacker A50 14L 400 KV Motor and a 11 tooth pinion. Also since you can’t speed up the tail on the Logo I bought a tri tail to put on it.

The Scorpion 4035-330 motor would be a better option for even lower head speed but with a 12S system. It would be even more efficient.

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by Freeskiken

I tried running my Logo 600 SE with a 4035-450 Scorpion Motor and a Tribunus 200 amp esc last year. I was running 1150 rpm. At the end of the flight it would slow down to about 1000 rpm. It’s fun but you don’t have enough power.

Running a dedicated 10S or 12S system with a low KV motor and the smallest pinion would give you low rpm, long flight times and still enough power to do slow 3D maneuvers.

I am going to put a low KV motor in mine this winter. I bought a Hacker A50 14L 400 KV Motor and a 11 tooth pinion. Also since you can’t speed up the tail on the Logo I bought a tri tail to put on it.

The Scorpion 4035-330 motor would be a better option for even lower head speed.

Thanks, Dads has a Align 700 Motor not sure the KV

[GimpyGolden]

Originally Posted by Epoweredrc

Thank you for the reply he said it does have the 11 tooth he said it has the stock herringbone main gear on it he believes its a106T

he has a EC5 on both sides of the Esc. so i would guess I could just plug in a 6S to one side and leave other side with nothing.. guess when I get it I take pics and post how itis wired for sure.
he was using a 10S (2 5s) packs made together with he plugged in one 5s to both connectors coming off the esc.
I just looked at my fathers and he only has the Castle 80HV esc on his heli.

I don't know what all i fly in it but be nice to have a few different ones to fly not sure if my Throttle curves would need to be changed big time to go from a 10s to a 6s

You'll need to make up a jumper cable like I pictured below or remove the Y to use only single packs. If your getting his LiPo's with deal you're probably better with the first option.



Your throttle % can stay the same but you will have different rpm for different voltage.
Also good to set one flight mode to 100% when you're running 6 cell to get the mst you can from the system.

Originally Posted by Freeskiken

I tried running my Logo 600 SE with a 4035-450 Scorpion Motor and a Tribunus 200 amp esc, on 6S last year. I was running 1150 rpm. At the end of the flight it would slow down to about 1000 rpm. It’s fun but you don’t have enough power. I guess it depends on how you want to fly.

Running a dedicated 10S or 12S system with a low KV motor and the smallest pinion would give you low rpm, long flight times and still enough power to do slow 3D maneuvers.

I am going to put a low KV motor in mine this winter. I bought a Hacker A50 14L 400 KV Motor and a 11 tooth pinion. Also since you can’t speed up the tail on the Logo I bought a tri tail to put on it.

The Scorpion 4035-330 motor would be a better option for even lower head speed but with a 12S system. It would be even more efficient.

With a 560Kv 4035 he's going to have a bit more kick than yo did on 450 @6S, should be plenty fine for smooth 3D
Like this
LOGO 690 SX | 1200rpm @ 6S (1080p60) (3 min 29 sec)




But yes a proper low rpm geared/ Kv on 12 cells is going to have more power. In which case the tail will for sure need any help it gets to keep up.
On 6S it'll have less available torque and be easier on tail. Plus it offers option to run higher Voltages for higher head speeds.

[Epoweredrc]

Originally Posted by GimpyGolden

You'll need to make up a jumper cable like I pictured below or remove the Y to use only single packs. If your getting his LiPo's with deal you're probably better with the first option.



Your throttle % can stay the same but you will have different rpm for different voltage.
Also good to set one flight mode to 100% when you're running 6 cell to get the mst you can from the system.



With a 560Kv 4035 he's going to have a bit more kick than yo did on 450 @6S, should be plenty fine for smooth 3D
Like this
LOGO 690 SX | 1200rpm @ 6S (1080p60) (3 min 29 sec)




But yes a proper low rpm geared/ Kv on 12 cells is going to have more power. In which case the tail will for sure need any help it gets to keep up.
On 6S it'll have less available torque and be easier on tail. Plus it offers option to run higher Voltages for higher head speeds.

Thanks for the info.. So the jumper is just put into one of the Connections while i only have the one battery hooked up right. So this motor won't handle 12 s? I cant even find the motor online anywhere. to know what the specs are. I can only find the gold scorpions. are is it the same motor?

I mean i have 2 500mah 6s, and 2) 4000mah 6s I could hook together if it be okay to fly with those. i hope the batterys he is sending will last a bit as i cant afford buying new batterys right now that is why like to just use what I have already.

Im worndering if i should hold onto my Trex 600 main blades and maybe use them on this heli if i really want to just fly it on 6s would that help anything or harm it more with that motor? Honestly im not good with Heli motor choices.
Im trying to sell my 600 i know blades are not cheap. ive got Edge Main blades and Mavick tail blades on it.

Thanks