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02-19-2013, 07:03 AM | #1 (permalink) |
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Thinking of buying one of these, need advice
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I've only had my Bee for a short while but I have the chance of getting a CP so which is the best one to go for from the three below. I know my skills aren't good enough for a CP yet but I've been given a budget from a family member so I want to get one now so it's there when my skills allow. The choice below is from my local shop, I would like to order from there as their service is excellent with fast delivery plus they stock all the spares for these birds, also bought the Bee from there. So what do you think, which is the best to go for. E-Flite Blade 450: http://www.buzzflyer.co.uk/RC-Helico...-3D/p-70-1922/ Belt-CP V2 Carbon: http://www.buzzflyer.co.uk/RC-Helico...RTF/p-70-1708/ GAUI Hurricane 425: http://www.buzzflyer.co.uk/RC-Helico...RTF/p-70-1550/ All the above are tested setup and flown before they leave the shop so I shouldn't have a lot of setting up to before I can fly. Appreciate any help and advice, John
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02-19-2013, 12:15 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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If you are going to go with an "RTF" package, then the Eflite Blade 450 anytime. The Blade 400 was a pretty good heli, and I have to confess that I haven't seen the 450....but the package comes with a DX6i controller.
The DX6i is a great platform as a Tx that you can take with you from heli to heli. Don't get me wrong, there are other great Tx radio systems out there (Hitech, Futaba etc), but for value for money, the Spektrum range outstrips them all. Plus it is flexible. I don't know what systems the others come with, but my guess would be that at some point soon, you would want to upgrade them; the DX6i will be good for a while yet! The other option of course is to look at a 450 kit and select your own Tx (and I would recommend a Spektrum there, although depending on budget, you may want to look at the DX7s for example). A kit WOULD mean that you need to build and set it up yourself, which may seem daunting, but believe me, what you learn in doing that is worth it's weight in gold. Your shop may well set it up for you, but after your first crash (and you will have them), it will need to be set up all over again and that would be down to you to do unless you take it back and pay again! Any CP pilot needs to know how to set up a heli....building one yourself teaches you that from the start. Just my twopenneth!
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02-19-2013, 01:01 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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Thanks for the reply Luke.
I defiantly want to get a DX6i Tx and I assume they come complete with an Rx. Now, I've been doing some research today and have been looking at the trex 450 but I'm not sure which would be the best model, 450 Pro v2 or the 450 Sport v2? the ones I have looked at are not clones so are they a better helicopter than the three I listed (or the Blade that you recommend) in my first post? As for building a kit, I have built professional nitro cars in the past so I should be ok building one but my concern is setting it up, if I get it wrong then my first flight could end in disaster, so with that in mind do the kits come with full setup instructions? Sorry for all the questions but I want to get it right as I will be spending around £500 to £600 if I go for the trex with the DX6i.
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02-19-2013, 04:47 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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My personal opinion, I would go for the SE V2, but for me there isn't much in it; they're both good. My m8s have Pros and they are great!
With regard to 450 kits vs RTF, I'm not sure "better" is the way I would describe it, but parts for the Trex 450s and the clones are really easy to get your hands on. I personally would be inclined to go for a good quality clone, like a Copterex, Gootch or VWin RC. When you buy Align, you pay 40% more for the quality and another 50% more on top for the name. There is a good Pro kit here. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VWIN-450-P...item19d03ef50c The seller is wrapping up his online shop I think, but is still going on Ebay. I completely trust him and have used him for a while. Of course, you need your motor, servos, ESC, gyro etc on top, but you can pick what you want then. You should be able to get a good quality 450 in the air for around £160, plus radio gear.
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02-21-2013, 03:41 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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agree with Luke on it all....if you want to buy RTF then those are some good choices...but..and as he said again..you will crash..and fixing them can be daunting if you never built one....it is an uphil climb for sure to go from no building to doing it all...trust me..i was scared to do it..but i watched all the video's...did all i could..and still needed help on gyro's and the rest....but...the VICTORY you have in getitng that sucker to fly is awesome..in 2 short years i'm up to my 7th CP build and flying 500's...it's ..most RTF heli's still need work..locktie on all the screws..trimming and possible gyro setup..etc...the pro vs the v2 comes down to frame design...location of the rudder servo...and some head stuff...the V2 i think has a wider frame..makes it easier to work on....i'd go belt tail for sure..makes tail down mistakes easier and more forgiveable....really can't go wrong with a blade heli either...
let us know what help we can be! Dan
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02-21-2013, 04:26 PM | #6 (permalink) |
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Thanks for the feedback.
I have found a company that stocks the kit trex 450 sport v2 super combo, they told me that they would send the heli to their specialists for assembly and testing, they said the heli would be fully assembled with all screws fitted using loctite then it will be flown and the gyro's set up. I can also choose which Tx I want so I would go for the DX6i. I must say that this is rather tempting, I realise that I wouldn't have the experience of building the heli so when I do crash I may (will) have problems setting it up but again this company said they could help if needed but with you guys about I'm sure I wouldn't need their help.
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02-21-2013, 06:53 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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I still say, don't pay a company for doing something that you need to be able to do yourself anyway....and Align is good, but vastly overpriced!
And personally, I would never trust anyone to have checked and setup my heli for me. One loose screw is an accident....I want to be sure it is done properly. Having someone to blame when you have taken someone's eye out is no comfort.
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02-21-2013, 08:33 PM | #8 (permalink) | |
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even though it is scary i too suggest buying a kit and putting it together...you will then know when you crash it (not if mind you! lol) how to fix it and get it going again quickly...it really is a fufilling experience...
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02-24-2013, 03:31 PM | #9 (permalink) |
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Sorry folks but you will probably rip into me for my decision here but I went for the trex 450 sport v2 combo and the DX6i.
It's a kit but it will be built by a pro , he seems to know his stuff and does this for a living along with hosting events and tuition lessons. You can check him out here: http://www.ultimatebuildandfly.co.uk/ It should be delivered to me sometime this week. It will be fully setup and flying by him. He's going to send me a full spec sheet of all settings for the heli and the DX6i, also offered any after sales support I need but with you guys around I doubt I'll need it.
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02-24-2013, 06:18 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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I have a HK 450 Pro and a TRex 450 SE v2 and I like them both. Couldn't really say which is best. I will say, don't skimp on the gyro and the tail servo like I did at first. Found out that you really do get what you pay for in those categories.
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02-25-2013, 10:12 AM | #11 (permalink) | |
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You've got your self a nice heli there! You WILL need to learn how to set it up etc. I appreciate it is set up now, but the slightest tough with those blades and you will need to setup again!! Even a very gentle clip of a blade tip against the floor will probably bend the feathering shaft meaning you need to take the head apart to replace it. There are loads of useful vids and link on these forum, especially the Finless Bob videos. They take you through it all step by step...well worth watching. The major thing about setup, is that is MUST be done in sequence. you can't dip in and out of different bits of it. You must do it ALL and IN ORDER. This is because each stage is dependant on the previously stage being done (so that links are correct beforehand etc etc). If you do it out of order, or miss one bit out, everything after that will be out of kilter....so you must start at step one and work through. Generally speaking, you start at the bottom of the head and work up. Start with the servos being correctly aligned, then up to the swash height and level, then the next level is the washout, then the links to the top, then the blade pitch etc. And before you do anything at all....DISCONNECT YOUR MOTOR!! You need the servos and radio gear powered up and you need to move the throttle stick during setup! If you ever need to do any work at all on the head, disconnect the motor using the 3 wires from the ESC....always. Those blades make the HBFP blades look and feel like feathers They can take your finger off!! Now you are thoroughly daunted and terrified....enjoy! It does seem daunting and impossible....but it isn't! And the feeling of satisfaction of setting up your heli yourself and then flying it, is awesome! As always, if anything is confusing you, ask away. The only silly question is the one you didn't bother asking!
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02-25-2013, 10:17 AM | #12 (permalink) | |
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(That said, the gyro was just a HK401b until I put the tarot ZYX on it with the 4 bladed head). Seriously though, it is good advice. You won't regret good quality electronics....but I may yet regret cheap ones....
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02-25-2013, 04:33 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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Thanks for all the help and advice, it's much appreciated.
I was seriously toying with the idea of getting the kit and building it myself but at the moment I don't feel confident enough to do it. I probably could but my fear was that my first flight would end in disaster due to something not being setup correctly, at least now it's being built by a pro I have half a chance of getting one flight under my belt before I crash the darn thing. I have spent the last few days going through a lot of the threads in the 450 forum and watching the Finless Bob videos, these alone have learnt me a lot about setting the heli and the TX up correctly. My bird should be here Wednesday or Thursday, all I need now is some calm weather to try my first hover.
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02-27-2013, 03:14 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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Thanks Dan,
I told him that I wanted it setup for a beginner so it will be just hovering for now, he said that was no problem and he would set it up with very little negative pitch probably around 2 degrees. There has been a small problem though, after completing the build he told me that there is a problem with the tail, it turned out to be a faulty bearing but this has put things back a day or so. Hopefully he should have had it finished and dispatched today so I should receive it tomorrow, keeping my fingers crossed.
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03-02-2013, 04:00 AM | #16 (permalink) |
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Ok, the Trex arrived last night.
First impressions were very good. I was impressed with the way it was packaged as it arrived in a very strong wooden box held together with screws plus the bird was fixed to the box by it's skids so it was safe while in transit. The person who built it seems to know what he is doing as it is very neat and tidy with no wires hanging around, setup all looks good all servos were perfectly centered with the right amount of pitch on the blades. The DX6i was pre-programed for me with all the pitch and throttle curves setup for a beginner, pitch curve is set to a small amount of negative pitch on low stick so it's fine for a bit of hover practice. I can't praise the builder of this bird enough, any questions I had during the build process were answered within the hour via email, didn't seem to mater how daft the question was he always gave me a good and polite answer. Any of you UK folks looking for a pro build for your heli then check out Jason Platts at: http://www.ultimatebuildandfly.co.uk/ I highly recommend him. Ok onto it's maiden flight. I spooled her up in the garden this morning, I started out nice and slow to see if all was well and there were no vibrations so I went for the first hover, WOW!!! I mean WOW!!!! she is so stable and was able to hover her for almost the entire pack without landing, giro was setup beautifully with the tail rock solid. After the Bee this thing seems like a Rolls Royce which makes the Bee fell like a clapped out old car. Very impressed so far.
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very cool.....hope you keep doing well! the power and ability of a CP heli to cut through the air vs a FP heli like the bee is a world of difference....and a lot of fun!
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03-02-2013, 08:41 AM | #19 (permalink) |
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You are more than welcome Jason, the trex is so smooth and vibration free and flies like a dream even for a total beginner to CP's. I've ordered some more lipo's from Jason as one just isn't enough to keep practicing but I have put three packs through her this morning and it's going great, good job I have a good charger so I can charge them a 5A if needed.
@Dan, TBH I was a bit concerned about how much power this thing had, I had visions of this thing taking off, going straight up and over the house but no it's very controllable which again is down to a good setup. Thanks again for all the help and advice here, John
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