Synergy E5

[ClubCRASH]

If Matt is raffling one off at a funfly early October, then I guess October is when he will have kits on hand. But I think only Matt knows. I don't really mind because I have mine on pre-order.

[flyalan]

I had heard on the Synergy forum that it would be sometime in October also.


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[JWB885]

Would be interested in you thoughts. I am fairly new to the hobby and am progressing up thru the sizes as you can see from my sig. Question is if I want build a top of the line heli over the winter is the E5 the right heli and the right size.

Any input would greatly appreciated. Have considered the Gaui x5 also but this question is really more about size


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[flyalan]

JWB. Don't see your sig. Probably due to post from Tapatalk. You need to set it up on tapatalk for it to show up:-)

An E5 would be a good choice for a 600ish size hell. Run as 550 with 6s if you like or stretch it for a really light weight 600 (12S). I am going to build one in each configuration. Matt was flying the stretched this weekend and he is really pleased. Pretty sure I heard him comment that that right now it's his favorite hell. I am actually considering doing 10S which is what I had done on the Furion 6.

Release date last I heard was sometime in October.

Cheers
Alan

[bart2546]

+1 on what Alan mentioned. It's got good versatility as you grow even more; So even if you start out and leave it as a true 550 size stock, you can stretch it out later. If the build is anything like the N5c in relation to frames and head ETC, then the build is very enjoyable and can be as long as or almost as short as you want.


Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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[JWB885]

So tell me about preferred electronics from high end best you can get( not necessarily the highest price but the best functional pieces) to a more moderate build


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[dpelletier]

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[4cyclic]

E5 stretched, my choices:

- mini blue vbar 5.3 pro
- Futaba BLS255HV cyclics, 256 tail
- Scorpion 4035-560kv
- Jive 120hv esc or YGE 120hv

[bart2546]

A few including myself are going with what Matt had his set up like at IRCHA. That would be Futaba BLS255 on cyclic and 256 on tail, a Scorpion 4025-1100kv motor, BEC Pro, 120HV ESC, and Thunder Power 65c 4000 packs at 6S.

There are many other HV servo options such as Savox, Torq, and JR servos of course. A lot of guys are planning on a 10 or 12S set up as well. I am planning on running the AR7200BX for flybarless. The more popular options are the Vbar and CGY750.

I'm still getting into electrics so I'm learning more as time goes on. I'm not sure of other motor or ESC specifics but I know Matt has designed the motor mount so that people can run a variety of motors of their choice.


Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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[JWB885]

Guys your input is very valuable and for some of you the decisions just pop into your head and you know how the dots connect, i'm not there yet. Could you give me some of your theory for your choices. Such as Matt's set-up, preferred vendor for you, your location demands buying certain things, price/budget etc...

[bart2546]

For me I figured if Matt built it that way and did demos with it that way then he has the confidence in the electronics and I do too. Also I rely on Futaba's history of providing strong and fast servos combined with great quality. In the 255/256 instance they accept high voltage with all of the above.

For the flybarless choice I have a standard BeastX and external receiver on my N5c. I had no troubles setting it up and it flies just fine for me. The next logical step in my thought process was to go to an all in one unit to have a cleaner and even easier set up. Enter the AR7200BX. I don't need to tweak a hundred pin point settings for my flying and it's also the best bang for the buck in relation to quality, performance, and features at 249.99.

ESC choice was not only because Matt runs it but also because in my mind you have two choices. You can go with good priced items like Scorpion or Castle in the 2 to 300 dollar range or you can jump all the way up to Kontronik/YGE for several hundred dollars. I've seen plenty of pros beat on the lower cost options and not have an issue. I'll take the not that high risk of issues myself. Finally, if you order a combo kit from Ralph at FBL Rotors Unlimited the 120HV is the ESC choice.

Motor was based solely on the fact that it was the standard recommendation for a 6 S set up.

Vendor choices: There are many good vendors out there but my choice is as follows:

Experience RC: I've dealt with them before, they're good guys and help out. They've got a good presence in the hobby and they usually have things in stock. Got most of my electronics from there

FBL Rotors Unlimited: Ralph who runs this store is an amazing guy. He is top notch and top shelf. He takes care of his customers and is not afraid of one on one interaction and he is FULL of knowledge. He's a great source to be with Synergy. I'll be getting my combo kit including ESC through him.

Your budget is up to you. I know that once I'm done, including batteries, I'll have over 2,000 in the E5. Why would I do this? I prefer to say with almost 99% certainty that if something happens it's because of me and my thumbs only.

Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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[JWB885]

Brandon Thank you...that is the kind of thinking I was hoping to get. Now.... I notice that cdSexton is going with an Ice2 80hvand a 2s lipo rx pack. I thought you always wanted your esc to have some room above the motor output and what are the thoughts on a rx pack vs a Bec?

[Chris Sexton]

Originally Posted by bart2546

For me I figured if Matt built it that way and did demos with it that way then he has the confidence in the electronics and I do too. Also I rely on Futaba's history of providing strong and fast servos combined with great quality. In the 255/256 instance they accept high voltage with all of the above.

For the flybarless choice I have a standard BeastX and external receiver on my N5c. I had no troubles setting it up and it flies just fine for me. The next logical step in my thought process was to go to an all in one unit to have a cleaner and even easier set up. Enter the AR7200BX. I don't need to tweak a hundred pin point settings for my flying and it's also the best bang for the buck in relation to quality, performance, and features at 249.99.

ESC choice was not only because Matt runs it but also because in my mind you have two choices. You can go with good priced items like Scorpion or Castle in the 2 to 300 dollar range or you can jump all the way up to Kontronik/YGE for several hundred dollars. I've seen plenty of pros beat on the lower cost options and not have an issue. I'll take the not that high risk of issues myself. Finally, if you order a combo kit from Ralph at FBL Rotors Unlimited the 120HV is the ESC choice.

Motor was based solely on the fact that it was the standard recommendation for a 6 S set up.

Vendor choices: There are many good vendors out there but my choice is as follows:

Experience RC: I've death with them before, they're good guys and help out. They've got a good presence in the hobby and they usually have things in stock. Got most of my electronics from there

FBL Rotors Unlimited: Ralph who runs this store is an amazing guy. He is top notch and top shelf. He takes care if his customers and is not afraid of one on one interaction and he is FULL of knowledge. He's a great source to be with Synergy. I'll be getting my combo kit including ESC through him.

Your budget is up to you. I know that once I'm done, including batteries, I'll have over 2,000 in the E5. Why would I do this? I prefer to say with almost 99% certainty that if something happens it's because of me and my thumbs only.

Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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Extremely well said. I like VBar, but BeastX is a GREAT FBL option and the AR7200BX makes a damn clean looking install

The great thing about this heli is the versatility. It will run very well on 6S, or kill it on 12S. Care for something bigger? Stretch it to 600.

The light disk load extremely light over all weight will allow a wider range of servos. You won't need the crazy high Torque servos. The Budget will appreciate it.

Good luck, let us know what you settle on

[bart2546]

Since I am new to electrics I haven't formed a huge a opinion on BEC versus external receiver pack. I could literally go both ways since I have receiver packs from my N5c. Seems a lot of guys go for the pack for that extra reliability if something happens to your flight pack you'd still have control with the receiver pack. Do keep in mind that you'll need HV servos for sure if you are going with an external receiver pack and a LiPo battery. If you go with an external pack and use a LiFe pack you could use non-HV servos due to the lower voltage. I think a BEC has left a sour taste in some people's mouths because of failures but how many people are running them without failures? We will never know because they rarely post on the forums when things are going good.

So far I am leaning on a BEC though. If I find some more convincing evidence during my build I'll switch. Just trying to keep an open mind in the mean time n


Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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[dpelletier]

Originally Posted by bart2546

I'll have over 2,000 in the E5. Why would I do this? I prefer to say with almost 99% certainty that if something happens it's because of me and my thumbs only.

First time I've heard someone else say that... it is also how I feel.

Originally Posted by bart2546

So far I am leaning on a BEC though. If I find some more convincing evidence during my build I'll switch.

I'm using an external BEC on my Furion 6, Western Robotics Super... its great!

[flyalan]

I have been using LiFe but I am am in the process of converting my Heli's over to HV. I did the E6 (soon to be an E7) last month at IRCHA. Got a great deal on Savox HV servos!
The E7 crashed this weekend at Heli Extravaganza due to a loss of signal to for some unknown reason. I won a set of Hitec HV's cyclics at the raffle so it is being converted now. I will be ditching the LiFe's and using lipos. Faster charging than LiFe and lighter weight. The N5C will run on lipos also using a regulator (Gryphon) until I can purchase more HV servos.
I am undecided on the E5. I will probably go the lipo and regulator route for now. I have a stock pile of non-HV servos now

Cheers
Alan

[eric cartman]

Any updates on when they will start shipping... I'm getting ancy to build another Synergy...

[bart2546]

I haven't heard an exact release/ship date yet but I know one is a raffle prize at the Georgia Heli Swarm the first full weekend in October so I imagine it's not too far off and somewhere in October as originally planned barring no set backs.


Regards,
Brandon Bartolomucci
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[wbefield]

looks like I found me something to build this winter.

I'm going to go with a 12s/BEC setup, MSH Brain FBL/GOV/HW RPM sensor.
Haven't decided on servos, ESC, or Motor yet.

[mkovalcson]

I'm looking forward to seeing how this heli turns out!

It looks REALLY clean from a design standpoint and I really don't see anything else in this size that looks as well built.

Right now I've got great disk loading with my Protos and TDR, but my T550 sticks out like a sore thumb and flies like a pig! It's my heavy wind heli

I'm thinking about a rekit and a bunch of musical chairs for electronics.

What size batteries are people considering using for 12S configurations with 550mm blades? Would a couple 2600mah 6S Hyperions work?

I could use the existing 5000mah 6S batteries from my T550 with Jive 100LV and a new motor, but I really want to make sure that it isn't underpowered like my T550 is.

What are the pinion ranges going to be? What is a good kV for a 12S for this heli?