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05-08-2012, 01:29 PM | #81 (permalink) | |
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Right now I have quite a few projects in the works so I've actually got my energy spread pretty thin at the moment. My key issue with the Banshee is that with a single initial production run of only 50 units there is no way to get the bugs worked out and get things fine tuned etc.. The Diabolo had some teething at the beginning as well, but it is in production so they have a reason to get everything all worked out. With the Banshee once they have the 50 units out the door, there really isn't much of an incentive to make things right if there are issues. They may have the best intentions in the world, but the fact is that if all 50 units have an issue and all need a part redesigned, manufactured and distributed, there is very little reason to think that will happen. 50 units is an incredibly small production run and if there is an issue it is unlikely that they will financially have a means of fixing it. Let's say there is an issue that required redesigning and replacing a key piece of titanium. They need a minimum production run to make the prices even tolerable, and they would need all the Banshee owners to agree to pay for the new piece so that they could afford to make that production run. They would be in no position financially to make things right by the owners. So the Banshee club will need to be a close group of people willing to bear whatever financial burden happens t come their way or be prepared to write their heli off as a complete loss if there is a chronic issue and no reasonable fix for it, or if there are not enough players willing to keep sending money. So I see the initial $2000 as only the beginning of what could turn out to be a nightmare that you regret being involved with. I'm not saying this is the way it will play out, but based on other heli introductions it is very possible.
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05-08-2012, 01:50 PM | #82 (permalink) |
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I realize however that different things turn people on.
I'm an opportunist and willing to take risks on certain things, but I don't gamble. I'm the type of guy who goes to Vegas and puts 6 quarters into the slots just to say I did it and then go do something else. I see the Banshee as a gamble and that gamble as negative, however I realize that may actually make the whole process more exciting for some of you and add to the adventure and novelty of owning a very unique and rare heli. So don't let my comments slow you down if this has really got you excited!
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05-08-2012, 02:04 PM | #83 (permalink) | |
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I think that the heli will be very well engineered. I don't think that they are rushing it out. There is a wealth of knowledge out there in this field to draw upon and at this price range they will be investing heavily. Often in cases such as these the company may not be making much money. It is simply a way of showcasing their potential. Examples of this in the automotive industry would be the Bugatti Veyron. Despite the heavy price tag it is a loss making venture, an engineers wet dream coming to reality. The Aston Martin one-77 would be another example. I think that any problems and upgrades needed initialy would be made and supplied to the customers, possibly free of charge. they make the following claims on their website:
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05-08-2012, 02:18 PM | #84 (permalink) | |
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Like I said, they may have the best of intentions, but unless they have a plan to actually make money from the production of the Banshee or something else under development, they are only going to allow it to be a money loser for so long before they pull the plug. This could be a venture at the whim of a guy with some play money and maybe he will fund whatever happens just because he is an enthusiast. That's great until he finds something else that is more exciting to play with. I don't trust money losers, or short term endeavors financed at the whim of a wealthy individual. Jan has a track record, and I believe this is his family's livelihood. Parts availability is still risker than for a Mikado, but I think the risk is very reasonable and that Jan will do what he can to keep things going because it is in his best interest to do so. I feel comfortable with that type of commitment.
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05-08-2012, 02:21 PM | #85 (permalink) |
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Having had the opportunity to see the Banshee in person I can say it is a very, very cool machine. I can also say that the guys behind the project seem very dedicated to making everything work. I’d have one if I could J
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05-08-2012, 02:26 PM | #86 (permalink) |
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I personally don't like the speed canopy but I must admit in its normal form its gorgeous...
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05-08-2012, 02:29 PM | #87 (permalink) |
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Maybe they are just doing this to raise awareness and then release a "lower end" 700 class machine like the DB7 or Audi R8 (I use the term lower end loosely)
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05-08-2012, 02:34 PM | #88 (permalink) | |
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They could also be testing the water in which case these first 50 need to get snapped up fast so they keep going You may be doing us all a service by getting one
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05-08-2012, 02:37 PM | #89 (permalink) |
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Could be, but I think your car analogy is off ! I'd say the Veyron is closer to a scale heli being a posers car *cough* A Banshee is to me a crazy Zonda and a TDR is an Ariel Atom (both built in a shed)
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05-08-2012, 03:16 PM | #90 (permalink) |
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No body actually know for sure what the price will be on the Kit, they have not announced anything and the number of kits available is also not true. I don't believe anyone goes to design an exclusive product to go and sell 50 and go home. The initial production is maybe 50 because of this being a small company but they will make more if the market demands. In terms of quality, I think it will be up to task with any fine German heli out there. German's don't make crap, Give me one example in history of a German product went south. In our heli world, and apart from Mikado, none of the German's helis are actually targeting the majority of the hobbiest. They are made to satisfy the need of probably 5-10% at the most and those happen to have money to spend on that. This is similar to Ferari, Poursche, etc, those cars are not meant to be for everyone, only the exclusive who have taste in fine products. Nothing bad about that in my opinion. everyone has a taste of some sort and follow his passion. That does not mean we are trying to pose our products or compete, in contary it is the experience of building something unique and special and experiencing how it flies. If we in this forum did not care about that believe me we all be flying Trex and not TDR, so owning a TDR is not posing? I personally feel bad when I go to the flying field and see all have Trex and i am the only one who has a Logo and a TDR. I have not brought my TDR several times to the field because of this bad feeling and fly alone sometimes. Nonetheless I think none of the guys really care about owning a TDR, they keep talking about how great the Trex is and who idiotic people who own a TDR. That is life, you can have 3 members in your family, live in a 1000 Sq house or a 20,000 Sq house.
The bottom line, lets confess here, if the Banshee was not an exclusive mouth watering and genious in engineering, we all won't be participating in this thread. now I deserve a LOL
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05-08-2012, 03:41 PM | #91 (permalink) |
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Whoops I looked back and someone said 2000 Euros not dollars, but I don't know where they got that figure from.
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05-08-2012, 03:47 PM | #92 (permalink) |
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From their website:
News about the launch and price We get many emails regarding the commercial launch and of the selling price of the Bansheebausätze. We plan with an availability of the small series for end of 2nd quarter 2012. The price, we can reach unfortunately still no statement, because we ourselves still waiting for offers of our suppliers. The final price will be announced with the ability to order.
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05-08-2012, 04:06 PM | #93 (permalink) |
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My apologies for propagating speculative numbers that were just being thrown around.
I'll watch with interest, but from the sidelines on this one. Maybe it will take a while to sink in, but the Banshee just doesn't push my buttons at the moment. And this seems like something I would either just be all lathered up about or not at all, and currently I'm leaning towards not at all.
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05-08-2012, 06:40 PM | #94 (permalink) |
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I take my 2 TDRs, my Logo 600 and my Sylphide every weekend. My FAIFA sometimes, my X2 when I remember, my Logo 400SE is in the process of rebuilding but is a taker too. I don't care what others think, actually they enjoy seeing these helis fly. At some funflies some people don't even know how to order from abroad, let alone get a mailing wait list Henseleit. Some never heard about Henseleit though they've been flying for years.
I just don't settle for anything, so my search for better things is unstoppable. I am not trying to be elitist, but if someone has an inferiority complex and throws his Trex crap at me it's just pitiful and not my concern. I refrain from commenting on their heli choices and expect them to refraining from theirs. I do have a very clear opinion on their choice but am well educated enough to not hurt anyone's feelings, specially when their choice is what they could get and not what they could choose, even if they don't like accepting this. Some people are really mean and talk behind your back. I just go fly my TDR and there's not one argument that can stand against that. There are some nice people left in the world who share our happiness and admire our thinking out of the box, enjoy "with" us our capacity to get almost whatever we want (hobby related) instead of plainly being jealous. abanihani, take your TDR and be proud, it's not your fault that you made a better choice.
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05-09-2012, 04:16 AM | #96 (permalink) |
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Thanks Marco, I concur with you 100%
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05-09-2012, 04:39 AM | #97 (permalink) |
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+1 Marco writes really great stuff
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05-18-2012, 04:21 PM | #98 (permalink) |
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I am back here only to tell you I entered the Banshee wait list.
All this talking about balance in life, marrying neurosurgeons, and breaking muscles made me jump the bridge. Actually, since I started focusing on the IRCHA Speed Cup and the Banshee seems to be the one to beat I went back to their site to check it out once more and said "what the heck". I'll be receiving the Diabolo in about a month and the Banshee will most probably not be able until after IRCHA (probably much later), so, better get in line now. I am 100% sure I'll be at the Speed Cup, will see it in person and want one, so, I am just anticipating here!
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