460mx rewind and mods

[_Dekker]

I hold it in my hand with a rubber glove.
The rubber is for extra grip and to prevent hammering on my hand, especially with large motors.

[omerco]

I use a kitchen oven gloves against the cold (because our oven is next to the freeze). But any glove will do.

[Jmann841]

Awesome thank you!

[Jmann841]

You guys rock! It was super simple to punch out after freezing!

I damaged the stator but I lucked out! The Align 450m motor that I took apart first to test has the same exact stator. That one came apart easy and I did not damage the stator at all! Back in business! Now, to figure out how to fit all this copper in there...

[Jmann841]

How the heck did you guys fit 9 turns of .81mm (20 AWG) wire in this tiny stator!?!

This is only 8 turns (Should be around 2000kv which is what I want for my 11t pinion on the X3)

[Jmann841]

Ok, i unwound it and am working on getting all the green junk off with a file, but, is there a youtube video or a good description on how to use the nomex paper?

I have some 10 mil nomex paper but it seems pretty stiff, how do I use this stuff to protect the windings? are you supposed to soak it in water or something to soften it up?

[omerco]

Aceton will remove the green coating.

Nomex paper - there are many exampled in the forum. Here is a good all over review:

http://www.scorpionsystem.com/buildi...ld_and_review/

When you wind one wire it is better to wind all 3 wires together and go tooth by tooth instead of completing one wire and then the other.

[Jmann841]

Very nice! Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you

[powercroco]

this stator has not much iron into the hammerstalks and also not much magnetcoverage.
so it makes not much sense to try an extrem winding.
my suggestion: ad about 15-20% in coppersquare compared to the factory winding.
not more.
this would be enough.

the linked review is for another scheme and mode, you need normal abcabcabc.

[Jmann841]

Thanks for the tip! I already have the 20 AWG wire so I will try to get it to work since I have it on hand. And yes, I am winding it ABCABCABC.

I have a Compass 2617 8 pole motor on the way as well that I will rewind for higher KV, If it arrives soon I may just scrap this one as the stator is small and the magnet coverage is not very good.

[fusionsx00]

This motor is awesome rewound with that copper fill, a few people i rewound these for agree.

I agree its not ideal with the magnet size or hammer size but the rewind is a great improvment over stock. My goal was just that.
I know it did not make the most powerful motor in its size but that was not my goal

[Soccerjay]

Is the stator in the 460mx the same as the stator in the align 450m 3500kv? I'm talking about the old motor, I have one and I'm considering a rewind. I thought I read something about it being interchangeable, but maybe not...

[Jmann841]

Originally Posted by Soccerjay

Is the stator in the 460mx the same as the stator in the align 450m 3500kv? I'm talking about the old motor, I have one and I'm considering a rewind. I thought I read something about it being interchangeable, but maybe not...

Yup, same exact stator. The can is different though. The magnets are much larger on the 460mx

[Soccerjay]

Originally Posted by Jmann841

Yup, same exact stator. The can is different though. The magnets are much larger on the 460mx

Thanks do u think a rewind would be worth it? It's on my x3 and kind of underpowered. And I'm running 360s so it's being overworked...

[omerco]

Are you sure your gearing is proper? it may not be the strongest, but should not be under powered. i had it in my X3 on 4 cell (3400) and it was strong, but the one i have now (hyperion/ scorpion) is better.

[Jmann841]

Originally Posted by Soccerjay

Thanks do u think a rewind would be worth it? It's on my x3 and kind of underpowered. And I'm running 360s so it's being overworked...

No, it is a difficult rewind, especially for a first, and the 450m can is tiny. I would save up for a new motor.

I just ordered a Compass 2617 for my X3 that I will rewind for the proper Kv, $22 shipped from helidirect for an 8 pole motor that should be considerably larger stator.

[fusionsx00]

12n8p?

guess they had to go with that to get that kv in a tiny motor, my old x5 motor is 12n8p. I did that in 16 gauge yy, Its a pack killer now

[Soccerjay]

Originally Posted by Jmann841

No, it is a difficult rewind, especially for a first, and the 450m can is tiny. I would save up for a new motor.

I just ordered a Compass 2617 for my X3 that I will rewind for the proper Kv, $22 shipped from helidirect for an 8 pole motor that should be considerably larger stator.

Well I have a align 500mx and a Scorp 3226 I'm gonna try to wind, with the same wire awg and materials so I buy once and get two motors (obviously different winds) but then I'll try to wind the 450m

[omerco]

Does someone know what is the magnet difference between the 450mx and 460mx?

[Jmann841]

Originally Posted by fusionsx00

12n8p?

guess they had to go with that to get that kv in a tiny motor, my old x5 motor is 12n8p. I did that in 16 gauge yy, Its a pack killer now

I believe it is a 9n8p so will have to be delta still AaABbBCcC IIRC