Align 600mx

[omerco]

BOHO - thank you for the links, but i can't find the Epoxy?

[1BOHO]

Click on the photo of magnet wire and scroll towards the bottom of the page you should see a advertisement block with the "insulating varnish" the term they are using..... in different quantities and two grades.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Insulating-V.../281043431885?

Ebay can be cu cu at times... write Temco directly or do a search on insulating varnish.

1BOHO

[1BOHO]

Here we go Omerco,

http://www.temcoindustrialpower.com/...rnish_overview
http://www.temcoindustrialpower.com/..._resins_guides



Please read the application guides.They are very Informative....

1BOHO

[omerco]

Nice! 10X

[Bladecpnitro]

The Temco varnish seems to be out of stock everywhere in all sizes.

All I need is the 4 oz can. I might just do the http://www.amazon.com/epoxy-resin-ad.../dp/B000WGYSVO
The guy doing the Scorpion kit demo winds on scorpion.co said it was an alternate for the Scorpion insulating compound.

I've read that clear finger nail polish works well. I just don't know what kind of heat or small amounts of oil it can handle without breaking down.

[1BOHO]

The problem will be with viscosity.

1Boho

[omerco]

Found an interesting page with few relevant epoxies:
http://stores.ebay.com/SRA-Solder/Ad...=p4634.c0.m322

I think this needed to be a new thread - no one looking for that will find it here. shall we open a new one?

[prototype3a]

I looked at the MG Chemicals 832C for securing/protecting windings a week or two ago but I was put off by the price.

[Bladecpnitro]

Originally Posted by omerco

Found an interesting page with few relevant epoxies:
http://stores.ebay.com/SRA-Solder/Ad...=p4634.c0.m322

I think this needed to be a new thread - no one looking for that will find it here. shall we open a new one?

Might as well start a new one, Its a needed topic.

[modisc731]

Originally Posted by prototype3a

I looked at the MG Chemicals 832C for securing/protecting windings a week or two ago but I was put off by the price.

http://www.amazon.com/MG-Chemicals-T...gh+temperature

this is the one i have been using. i ensure you it is very nice. can be cured in oven (~120 degree C. or 200 F) in 15 mins. can be used to secure stator, wire, and provide extra insulation for coils.

[Bladecpnitro]

Originally Posted by modisc731

MG Chemicals 832HT High Temperature Epoxy Encapsulating and Potting Compound: Epoxy Adhesives: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

this is the one i have been using. i ensure you it is very nice. can be cured in oven (~120 degree C. or 200 F) in 15 mins. can be used to secure stator, wire, and provide extra insulation for coils.

I'll save this in my favorite's. It's a bit more pricey than I was looking for. I'm looking for a 10 to 20 dollar epoxy or insulating varnish.

What will soften this stuff to get it off, Acetone?

[1BOHO]

+1 50 dollars for something like this is a bit over the top. I wonder whats up with Temco? High demand???

Whos going to start the new topic???

1BOHO

[modisc731]

Originally Posted by Bladecpnitro

I'll save this in my favorite's. It's a bit more pricey than I was looking for. I'm looking for a 10 to 20 dollar epoxy or insulating varnish.

What will soften this stuff to get it off, Acetone?

acetone (100% nail polish remover, for example) will break most of epoxy, including this MC high temp epoxy, but might not work with 3M Scotch-Weld DP760, the one i used before.
For scorpion's factory epoxy used to glue the magnets to the iron bell, acetone for sure works as well. However, from my experience, i need to soak the rotor in acetone for up to 7 days, with the acetone tank soaked in hot water bath....For MC epoxy, it is even more difficult.
For the glue scorpion used on coils, 2 hours in hot acetone is more than enough. But to break the stator from the stator holder, i still prefer heating the whole block to 200 degree C, maintain for ~5 min, cool at room temperature, then gentle punch will separate both.

[prototype3a]

I would bet that putting the bell in a nalgene bottle full of acetone then put that into a heated ultrasonic cleaner would really accelerate that process.

I too have found torching the bearing tube, cool, freeze and tapping with a hammer usually knocks it free.

[modisc731]

Originally Posted by prototype3a

I would bet that putting the bell in a nalgene bottle full of acetone then put that into a heated ultrasonic cleaner would really accelerate that process.

I too have found torching the bearing tube, cool, freeze and tapping with a hammer usually knocks it free.

i donot have the cleaner...sadly...it would be great to have some vibration, in addition to heat great idea.
re-gluing the magnets is really pain in the ass...but most of the scorpion i play with, has uneven spacing of magnets, inclcuding HKIII3536, 5035.....even visible with bare eyes...too bad. Am i just having bad luck?

I glued a HK4035 rotor with 14 magnets my self, there is even no need to do any dynamic balancing work!!! i tested it up to 30,000 rpm, no sensible vibration by my hand. This means 3 things:
1, iron bell, aluminium end bell are symmetrical.
2, originally, magnets are badly aligned, so they add "many" "weight" in weird place in the bell to balance it.
3, anyway, i love how scorpion design aluminium end bell-iron bell fusion. Aluminium part is threaded, and "screwed" into the iron bell, this allows for more precise alignment of both. I saw other brands of motors, just pushing aluminium bell to iron bell...kontronik use screws to hold it, it is fine then; other just use glues...

Above are personal experiences and opinions, could be very wrong!!!

[1BOHO]

[QUOTE=modisc731;6147917]i donot have the cleaner...sadly...it would be great to have some vibration, in addition to heat great idea.
re-gluing the magnets is really pain in the ass...but most of the scorpion i play with, has uneven spacing of magnets, inclcuding HKIII3536, 5035.....even visible with bare eyes...too bad. Am i just having bad luck?

I glued a HK4035 rotor with 14 magnets my self, there is even no need to do any dynamic balancing work!!! i tested it up to 30,000 rpm, no sensible vibration by my hand. This means two things:
1, iron bell, aluminium end bell are symmetrical.
2, originally, magnets are badly aligned, so they add "many" "weight" in weird place in the bell to balance it.[/QUOTE

No u havent done anything wrong except giving us an example of what "high quality" is......

Aint that something.......... sounds like youre better off buying a kit than trusting the factory huh?

At over 65K (boating app) The Scorpion can lose its shape too a cf wrap was suggested.....

LOL

1BOHO

[modisc731]

[quote=1BOHO;6147924]

Originally Posted by modisc731

i donot have the cleaner...sadly...it would be great to have some vibration, in addition to heat great idea.
re-gluing the magnets is really pain in the ass...but most of the scorpion i play with, has uneven spacing of magnets, inclcuding HKIII3536, 5035.....even visible with bare eyes...too bad. Am i just having bad luck?

I glued a HK4035 rotor with 14 magnets my self, there is even no need to do any dynamic balancing work!!! i tested it up to 30,000 rpm, no sensible vibration by my hand. This means two things:
1, iron bell, aluminium end bell are symmetrical.
2, originally, magnets are badly aligned, so they add "many" "weight" in weird place in the bell to balance it.[/QUOTE

Aint that something.......... sounds like youre better off buying a kit than trusting the factory huh?



LOL

1BOHO

Kits are normally very expensive...i can only afford used...sadly

[1BOHO]

Look Mo..... soft high quality Iron a good thing to a point!

Kits too expensive .... start charging for you winds to pay for your hobby endeavors..... look at the first gen 5035 they are cheaper than the HKIII's

[omerco]

Originally Posted by 1BOHO

+1 50 dollars for something like this is a bit over the top. I wonder whats up with Temco? High demand???

Whos going to start the new topic???

1BOHO

I will

New thread:
https://www.helifreak.com/showthread...91#post6148391