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03-12-2011, 12:36 AM | #1 (permalink) |
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Xtreme parts
Just had another heli vs fence episode and broke my 2nd rotor head so I ordered the Xtreme central hub and blade grip + the metal swash plate (already have metal paddle control) - any hints/tips or known problems I might encounter? thanks
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03-12-2011, 12:41 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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The only problem I've had (I have the full CNC set up) is with some of the simpler repairs. In order to replace a flybar you have to disassemble the blade grip entirely and take it off to get to the flybar grub screws. Not really a problem, just an inconvenience but totally worth it given the durability of the parts.
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03-12-2011, 03:53 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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toonttm,
I've been using the xtreme swash, pcf and central hub/blade grip on my Bees for as long as I can remember. Haven't had any problems with them at all. Steve. |
03-15-2011, 01:53 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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I've got a few questions on this subject:
I am using the stock mainshaft/main rotor for the exception of Superblades XP main blades, T-Rex 450 flybar and the Xtreme metal outer paddle control frame. Will upgrading to the Xtreme swashplate increase cyclic response significantly? It seems like the stock plastic swash is prone to flex under load. I'm not sold on upgrading the whole head to the Xtreme setup as it seems to me it would add reciprocating mass and the stock bladeholder is a simpler design (especially for servicing.) Also, I've moved the swash to paddle control links to the longer ball links and this coupled with the Xtreme outer control paddle upgrade has made response marginally quicker. Will removing the flybar weights (stock paddles) make a big difference? I realize that these changes probably have a cumulative effect on cyclic response, I'm just wondering how much. I'm looking for more crisp/faster response during fast forward flight. Sarge |
03-15-2011, 04:03 PM | #6 (permalink) |
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SargeAF,
In short, Yes to both of your questions. Replacing the stock "flexi" swash with the Xtreme will indeed make the Bee that bit more responsive and will help to remove the delay between making an input on the Tx and the heli responding. I couldn't imagine flying the Bee with the stock swash ever again. Similarly, removing the flybar weights will add a little more response too. Primarily, you could just move them inwards up to the PCF, fly the heli and see what you think. Then, if you like the difference remove them altogether. It's a no cost, win, win situation. Steve. |
03-15-2011, 10:54 PM | #7 (permalink) | |
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But Sarge has a V2 with stock paddles, the weights are not removable nor do they slide inward..( at least I couldnt figure out how to do it) To get rid of the weighted paddles you will need to go with V1 paddles and remove the weights or get the much smaller/unweighted Super paddles from super-skids. Thats what I run with a carbon fiber flybar and like them alot! |
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03-16-2011, 03:30 AM | #8 (permalink) |
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Got the Xtreme parts today, will install tomorrow, is there much of a difference between the blue/hard and black/soft o-rings on the rotor head?
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03-16-2011, 04:41 AM | #9 (permalink) | |
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Your absolutly correct sir but sarge was using the outter balls on the stock swash. The XSwash (both versions) have arms equal to the short ones on a stock swash. You wont have the flex but you will get less aileron motion due to the shorter arms. Basically youll get quicker responce but less of it. Personally I would 86 the OEM swash and get the XSwash no matter the alligator arms, it rules!
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03-16-2011, 08:58 AM | #10 (permalink) |
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Understood guys. I ordered the XSwash last night along with some Superskids 400.
Does anyone know if the flybar weights can ge removed from the V2 paddles? I thought I remembered reading somewhere that they are threaded into the paddle. I have the CP3 DD tail setup to try also. I flew two packs through my bee last night in my front yard; FFF around trees/bushes, pull-ups over obstacles. It actually flies very nice (especially since it was dead calm) so I'm looking forward to improving on an already nice flying FP heli. Sarge |
03-16-2011, 06:21 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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If you want crisp, fast response I can't stress enough how amazing the Bell-Hiller mod is on this helicopter. Absolutely the greatest thing I've added to mine so far. Get it and some metal mixing arms with some loctite for the brass colored ball joints for the linkages and you'll never regret it. I've never had such amazing control of this helicopter. I was able to take it out in some stiff wind the other day and hover it even recovering at low altitude from some ugly gusts. With the stock parts, there's no possible way I could've done that.
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03-17-2011, 05:44 AM | #12 (permalink) |
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Watched the video from Nuttcaze on installing the rotor shaft, looked easy...lol
an hour later I had pulled the whole heli to pieces and split the frame, as it turned out good idea as it let me tidy up the wiring. So all Xtreme parts fitted and even a carbon fiber tail boom, all set for a test drive tomorrow, woohoo! Just calculated that (including a spare battery) I have spent more on upgrades than what the heli cost...opps |
03-17-2011, 07:23 AM | #13 (permalink) | |
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It is the best reason going for getting the whole Xtreme head (you will need it to fit the BH mod). It is a night and day difference; if you want to upgrade the HBFP, it is the best upgrade going!
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03-17-2011, 08:43 PM | #14 (permalink) | |
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Heck yeah!! Same here...actually I spent more just on a good charger and batteries than the whole bird......not to metions the mod/upgrade sickness..... OH well, its great fun! |
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03-18-2011, 03:17 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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Well, I now feel 'deflated'
I got up early...I love my sleep and managed to get half a battery before i was made to go on some stupid (promised) trip to the mall. The heli went brilliant...perfect hover, nice little runs up my drive (and the neighbours, lol). Came back from mall, put in my backup battery, it was good but not what I had experienced earlier. So after 15 minutes I swapped battery packs..the heli went psycho! buzzing and spinning all over the place. Finally worked out that the Xtreme swash plate has locked itself onto the main shaft! The servos are buzzing but not moving the swash plate. So I've dropped the only lube I had - Iwata Superlube and left it to sit overnight. Damn shame, all that Xtreme gear was cool... (and it looked so pruttie, lol) |
03-18-2011, 04:28 AM | #16 (permalink) |
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Thought I should upload the photos..I'm not a tinkering type of guy, I would prefer to pay others and just get out and fly..but still...it sure was interesting to pull a heli to pieces
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03-18-2011, 10:39 AM | #17 (permalink) | |
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Uh-oh, Dont like to Tinker?........................................... ........................................... ......... That doesn't compute. .................................................. .. You've got to love to tinker to fly Heli's. The process of RC Helicopter ownership goes like this: 1) you buy a kit 2) you build the kit 3) you fly the completed heli. 4) you crash (returning the helicopter to kit form) 5) you rebuild/ repair the helicopter 6) you fly again 7) you crash.....again 8) you rebuild/ repair 9) you fly 10) you crash rebuild....fly........crash......rebuild.....fly.. ...crash.......rebuild............on and on and on. Then somewhere (anywhere) along the line you have Modify
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03-18-2011, 11:22 AM | #18 (permalink) |
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What a viscous circle! You definately have to be a tinkerer in general for heli's, planes or cars. I've been involved in all three and can tell you that mastering helicopters is by far the most satisfying! Considering that most just don't have what it takes to fly helicopters (most don't even understand how they operate or the physics behind them) or simply give up after little to no success. I think if you stick with it you'll eventually break the cycle above (for the most part,) but I'm afraid MODIFY will always be part of the equation IMO. Sarge |
03-18-2011, 01:16 PM | #19 (permalink) | |
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Unfortunately, Im afraid you will never break the cycle. with practice you can lengthen the duration between crashes.............but you will never completely break the cycle. Even Tereq crashes.............sometimes [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuP0xvAvFhk[/ame] The fear of the crash is usually one of the biggest roadblocks for newbee's. The quicker the newbee can get over the fear of the crash, the quicker they will learn to fly. Thats one reason why the Bee is a good trainer....it removes the money factor......as im sure you know a crash with the bee will can cost you a few bucks..a crash with a Rex 5,6,700 Will cost you Hundreds of dollars.
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03-18-2011, 06:36 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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Well fellas I just broke down and ordered the whole setup, I already have the extreme swash and flybar guide, and am just sick of replaceing center hubs and heads, so i just ordered the extreme center hub and blade holder from helidirect since they're running 10% off St PDay sale.
Im not missing anything right, theres nothing extra you have to buy to make it all work? It comes with the main shaft plus I ordered 1 extra. So I think Im good. |
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