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11-28-2009, 12:02 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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Considering HC500
I am considering buying the HC 500 with G10 frames. Is there a benefit to getting the CF frames. I have heard the g10's are stronger and don't make static.
How about the motor and blades? Are they both good quality? Will a standard size servo work on the rudder? I have one, but will get the smaller (S9257 size) if necessary. Are there any upgrades this heli needs or that are recommended? I am looking at 6s 2650mah 30c packs and S9650 for cyclic. The esc I am going with has bec. What else would I need? I flew a Trex 500 cf for a year. How will this compare to it?
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11-28-2009, 03:10 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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Is there a benefit to getting the CF frames.
- I don't think I have heard the g10's are stronger and don't make static. - I have some little issue with static but for the moment it get rid of with a bit of StaticGuard. How about the motor and blades? Are they both good quality? - Both motor and blades are good quality. Will a standard size servo work on the rudder? - You can use the standard size or the smaller size (S9257). Are there any upgrades this heli needs or that are recommended? - Maybe the KBDD paddles and tail blades but the original are OK. I am looking at 6s 2650mah 30c packs and S9650 for cyclic. - I use InnoLab HGD digital 260MG for cyclic - I use Zippy 2650mah 20C packs and the CG is perfect with them. - I have about 9 to 10 min of sport flying The esc I am going with has bec. - I use the Turnigy 60A with the bec with success. I can't compare to a TRex 500, I don't have his heli The HC500 is very stable in hovering and very agile in FF
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11-28-2009, 08:55 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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Go with the G10's. They are much more crash friendly. I have them and have crashed it a couple times with no damage to the frames. As far as the static issues-none. I run a separate BEC on a Hobbywing 60 amp Platinum SC, no issues and much safer, I also run my servos (Hitec 85mg's) at 6V (not the tail of course) too and this lets me do that. The stock main blades are fine for 3D, although I run the SAB's CF. Both of these blades are much beyond my capabilities can throw at them. I did switch to Trex 500 CF paddles. Tail blades are stock plastic Trex 500 too. I run 3000mah 6S 40C batteries with 6 minutes of fly time with a good 25% battery left when I land. Stock motor has held up fine, no issues at all and plenty of power for me. I have tried the KBDD tail blades and absolutley HATE them. I have tried them on all 3 of my 500's and get a tail oscilation that cannot be cured no matter what I try. (I even tried different Gyros and servos) I have heard that you can cut them down, but what's the point then of having them then other than the "pretty" different colors that you can get. I am in the process of converting another one of my HDX 500SAH's into an HC 500 so you can see I really like them. I have heard guys talk about the difference between the HC and Trex and have heard the HC fly's lighter. Besides that the Heli Direct service is worth buying it anyways. Hope this helps.
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11-28-2009, 09:16 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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what do you mean by oscillation? And why is a BEC safer? Is that because of the amp draw from the servos?
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11-28-2009, 09:33 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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The tail would wag back and forth. I could set the gain anywhere and it would not help. Like I said, I even put a different gyro/tail servo just to try it out, nothing seem to totally cure it. Yes, to the seperate BEC, If you get higher amps draws you could brown out your speed control to all of your servos. For the extra 25 bucks it is worth it to me to have. I flew without one for a year, but have since converted over to external BEC's on all but my Blade 400 and King 2's just for the safetey factor.
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11-29-2009, 12:54 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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I love my HDXSAH and I love it even more now that it's an HC500.
The quality of material and design and overall flight is fantastic (as to be expected from being designed by Charley from Outrage and flown and tested by Henry Caldwell). Definitely a great 3D and sport flying machine. Docile to responsive at the flick of a stick. No upgrades are necessary the model is pimp'd and bling'd out of the box, just treat it right with some great electronics. The stock motor holds up and operates great. Though like many Trex 500 owners, we all do the Scorpion upgrade when we want that extra "mule kick", I'm dying to make the jump myself. G10 is the way to go, I've always went with G10 because of what I've read and the facts about and it's much more inexpensive. I've contemplated the carbon alternative but from what others have told me after crashing both the G10 and carbon is the G10 is the best route. Inexpensive and seems more rugged and less problematic with common issues such as static. As far as flight characteristic. Everyone I've read that owns a Trex 500 and an HC500 says they like the HC500 over the Trex. I haven't met anyone that's said one negative thing about the kit. As far as crashing this bird, I've done her in a few times, full-idle-up speed into the dirt (I know stupid, I haven't gotten into the habit of using the TH, use to lowering my collective when I know it's game over) and the the usual's are the main gear and blades and boom that break/bend. The HC shafts seems to NEVER bend. I've never bent a spindle shaft and never bent a HC main shaft. Worst case you'll bash up your frame sides. I crashed the other week doing some experimental 3D maneuvers, got wise and hit the TH and walked away damage free with the exception of a broken blade. Can't say enough good things about the kit. It's a lot of heli for the money! |
11-29-2009, 01:53 AM | #7 (permalink) |
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Dear B2TheEYo
What parts have you replaced in order to convert it to HC500 ? |
11-29-2009, 09:27 AM | #8 (permalink) | |
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I use the second upper tray hole for the battery support and my CG is correct with a 410 gram battery(Zippy 2650mah 20C) and my ESC is under the battery support. I use a 9257 tail servo. The weight of your battery(3000mah 6S 40C) should be about 520 gram. Do you add some weight to have a good CG? Do you use another battery with your separate BEC ?
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11-29-2009, 11:16 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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Does anyone make aftermarket canopies for the HC, or is the stock one good. I just think I may want a higher visability canopy.
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11-29-2009, 11:42 AM | #11 (permalink) |
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You can use your TRex's canopy without any modification, just add a foam shim between the battery top and the canopy.
I don't know for the 3000, I use a 2650 20C 6S
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11-29-2009, 02:07 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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Batteries are a tight fit. I do not use a seperate battery with the BEC. I have the BEC and the step down voltage regulator and satellite receiver all towards the back of the Heli and CG works ok. Love this set up!!!
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11-29-2009, 02:35 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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Well, here is my HDX500. with a Gaui 550 canopy, without any mod.
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11-29-2009, 04:48 PM | #14 (permalink) |
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Trex 500 canopies fit the HDX/HC500 perfectly fine.
As far as converting, it consists of the frame sides, the servo mounts for the frame sides, new tail pulley and main gear. That's all for the frame. As for the head and tail, if you have the original Lepton FULL CNC head and tail, than you're already up to HC spec. The only major changes to the Original CNC head is as follows: The blade grips are cut wider for standard blade sizes. The tail blade grips have thrust bearing now. Lastly the flybar cadge arms are arched. Wouldn't cost more than $80 to convert. Totally worth it. The HC500 spares such as shafts etc are great. I crash and never bend them, and I crash hard and never kill my throttle since I'm not in habit of using the TH, still use to the old lowering the collective way. Just got into idle up flight and 3D these last few weeks. |
11-30-2009, 07:22 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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I bought an HC500. It has stock motor and no blades. The heli is built and never flown. Comes with a 401 and Hitec HS-82mg servos (both soon to be for sale).
I bought some mavrikk 430 wide blades. Heliproz has them on sale. If you buy a set, they are throwing in a set.
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11-30-2009, 01:45 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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Yeah ditch the 401, it's a fossil.
Though I love my 82MG's.. Congratz |
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As far as a controller, I was looking at an 85amp. Is running that high of amperage bad for the motor? Most 60a controllers will give a short peak of 70-80 amps. My plan is to run the stock motor, and the 60a controller I wanted is currently out of stock. The 85 has pretty high amp bec as well, so I wouldn't have to buy a separate bec.
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11-30-2009, 06:49 PM | #18 (permalink) |
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bigger is better when it comes to speed controllers as long as the weight and size are not that different. I run 60 amps on all of mine at 6S and have had not issues at all. If I had a choice though I would have bought the 80 or 85 amp controllers just for the fact that I know that I wouldn't be pushing them hard at all. I run hs-85mg's servos and they are great, nice and stout, have not killed one yet. 82's are a bit quicker and cheaper though. do whatever fits in your budget for the servos and what you like. enjoy the heli!!!
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12-01-2009, 06:36 PM | #19 (permalink) |
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+1 rpheliman!
The 82's are the kats-ass. Quick, strong and reliable, more cheaper than the 85's which was the biggest player in why I got them aside from speed. Only thing I'm not happy with on my 500 is the motor, I wanna get a Scoprion, not fond of this old old old old HDX one I got, it's powerful as hell but ah.. Looks old and cheap. LOL.. Also wanna get a wicked CC ICE ESC too. All will have to wait but as is my 500 rocks still. |
12-01-2009, 09:06 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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Ya, I got the old heat sinked blue big a$$ one in my third HDX. It even looks old but it runs good still, I think it is rated at 850kv, then I have the newer version a 900 or 950KV in the second one which runs good but hotter and then the new HC 1650KV on 6S in my HC conversion, and it rips compared to the others. But I run the others on 4S outrage 3700 packs. Thinking of going digital on my HC with the servos, just don't know which ones to get without mortgaging the house over! Don't have 300 bucks for servos right now, the kids want Christmas presents. Maybe if I talk to Santa......
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