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04-30-2012, 08:14 PM | #61 (permalink) |
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The banshee is expensive for 2 reasons. The guys that designed it took a no compromise approach to designing what is (in their minds) the perfect machine and they only intend to build 50 of them. Depending on how these sell they may do a redesign (maybe as an 800) and produce another limited run. I was able to meet up with Hans, Chris, and Martin on a recent trip to Germany. They are a great bunch of guys and are fully committed to their project. The machine is very very cool and the level of design detail is very very impressive. Will I buy one? I have no idea.
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04-30-2012, 08:20 PM | #62 (permalink) |
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I am one that would much prefer tail belt drive on TDR. I know this is a touchy subject for many. Perhaps it should be optional configuration when buying a new kit.
Kosmik 200A also = $$$$ both the TDR and Diabolo should also have 12 mm main shaft. TDR was not designed for hard ass 3D flying but diabolo can use a little thicker main shaft overall its built like a mountain bike. I like it. TDR just sitting on a table looks like its fast they all have that nice growl too bad banshee is that expensive. They've taken everything from the shape,TDR,diabolo and voodoo and made one nice machine. |
05-05-2012, 05:42 AM | #63 (permalink) |
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Timelapse build vid :
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F_s0ky-SUM&feature=plcp[/ame]
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05-05-2012, 06:43 AM | #64 (permalink) |
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Thanks Dumbthum for sharing, I stumbled on this video last night but could not move it to a post, how do you do that
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05-05-2012, 10:25 AM | #65 (permalink) |
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Different way to design a feathering shaft. Interesting video. Nothing in this makes me want to drop 2K on one but definitely worth the watch. Some things you just have to admire from a distance.
In reference to the TT/belt debate let me just say that I live in 2% humidity and my list started with 12S FBL TT machines because of that. The TDR was what was left after other factors were considered. If the TDR was a belted tail I wouldn't own it. I could not have made a better selection based on what I had to choose from at the time. If a day ever comes there is an option for it then so much the better. I'm a TT-man and I don't care about bolting a static generator on my bird in this climate. I won't live in this climate much longer and when that changes I might look differently on belted tails. But for today they're out of my list of reliable options. Folks who don't know what 2% humidity does to your bird don't realize why we feel the way we do. Just different strokes for different folks most times. In my case it was a carefully considered decision. |
05-05-2012, 11:55 AM | #66 (permalink) |
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Very interesting. There is a lot of aluminum in that heli.
Where I live is very humid. I don't think we have ever seen 2% humidity even in the dead of winter. I think I'm probably flying in 60-90% humidity most of the time. I don't think belts wiould be an issue. That said I think I would be a lot more likely to get a Diabolo than a Banshee. I see the 50 unit production as a deficit rather than a positive. My concern would be long term support. I might even consider a LOGO 700 for that reason. I'm not sure how many helis I want to own that don't have a larger support network.
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05-05-2012, 01:31 PM | #67 (permalink) |
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I always had the ESP version when I was coming up in the sizes. Once I moved to a Logo600SE I realized what all that grounding fuss was about. I flew that poor thing less than 20-30 times before humidity dropped that spring. Sold it 2 weeks later for nearly what it cost me and bought my rigid. Never looked back.
The way I see it big money is for one of two things: bling or engineering. Goblin does the bling along with others like Kasama and such. Then you have the engineering class. The money goes into clever methods, longevity, speed and styling. Some try to play both fields. This is where I'd consider Kasama in my list. Very easy on the eyes yet high quality bird. I'd hate to stuff one of those things. The TDR was my choice for the above reasons. That's not to say there aren't other options like the Diabolo, Shape, etc. I personally think it is overpriced for what I see. That's not to say 50 guys won't be standing in line for it though. That just means I'll be the guy making playlists of them on YouTube instead. She's slick in the engineering department for sure. Very clever how they did some things. But $2K for a barebone? Not this fella. But you can bet when I see threads about them I'll check them out and imagine it was me flying it. But realistically, to make their money back on just 50 units + parts they HAVE to price it like that. It has to be seen as a exclusive boutique or they're sunk. |
05-05-2012, 06:13 PM | #68 (permalink) |
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That's 2000 euro not dollars
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05-05-2012, 07:00 PM | #69 (permalink) |
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Oi!! You've misspelt Diabolo in your sig.
The price is one thing, considering it is made of all "exotic" materials, and the difficulty of machining of Titanium, it's bound to have a hefty pricetag. Whatever it will be in the end... What bugs me is the 50 only thing. How much more will that add to the price? How will they decide on who's worthy of one? Will they follow the order in which people have signed up? I'm sure their wish-list has way more than 50 entries, but it seems quite a few are considering passing because of the rumoured price bracket, myself included. Aargh... Still so many unknowns... Hope there will be some more definite info soon...
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05-05-2012, 10:18 PM | #70 (permalink) |
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Come on only 50 4540le that tooks weeks to sell. I dont think they will sell in a day
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05-06-2012, 08:06 PM | #71 (permalink) |
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We shall see...
How fast they'll sell out will probably be governed to a high degree by the asking price, so...
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05-06-2012, 09:39 PM | #72 (permalink) |
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My TDR has 1st stage belt drive. Now that there is a new main gear out fron Jan. (Heat resistant). I'm going back to the gear setup. Belt worked great but you have to run it tight. Adds drag to drive setup.
I think I'll try and grab a Banshee. Cheers Craig. |
05-07-2012, 01:28 PM | #73 (permalink) | |
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I wonder what the replacement parts costs are going to look like
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05-08-2012, 12:06 AM | #74 (permalink) |
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To get an idea, go look a parts costs for a full-scale
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05-08-2012, 08:53 AM | #75 (permalink) |
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Banshee is for the bench, the shelf and eeeeeerrrrr flying? NOT CRASHING!!! I'd dare say the most daunting heli to fly?
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05-08-2012, 10:13 AM | #76 (permalink) |
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So, does that leave me the only one who will get it in this forum , come on guys we need to open a new Banshee dedicated subforum , I know at least helicraze and Gerry will have one, I may be able to convince marco and Mark to join the club but Mark is tough I know
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05-08-2012, 10:50 AM | #77 (permalink) | |
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I know a couple people who sold off their TDR's because they were too concerned by crash costs. And I noticed a few people who didn't bat an eyelash and said they wanted a Banshee. This is all about disposible income and personal "sensibilities". From what I can see the TDR is TT limited. IOW the vibrations go up dramatically as you approach a head speed of 2000 rpm and at some point the FBL controllers start to have issues with that and won't behave quite as well as they would if everything is smooth. The Diabolo appears to be a slightly modified TDR with a belted tail. My guess is that it will have noticably lower vibrations at higher head speeds everything else being equal. The Banshee may even be a bit smoother assuming all the belts are not set to tightly. Personally I think the TDR flies beautifully with a Pyro and moderate head speeds and that is where I will most likely keep it. I'm starting to think that the Diabolo may be a more flexible heli in terms of happy head speeds. I'm hearing people enjoying it at 1550 up to 2300 rpm. However the verdict is still out The Banshee didn't quite look impressive enough for me to jusfify one, but I'm sure something could justify that figure to me. I just haven't seen it yet.
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05-08-2012, 11:07 AM | #78 (permalink) |
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LOL! Tough as nails!
I'm just not about collecting helis unless I have a purpose for them. Right now I have all the helis I need. I have a lot more training to do before I will feel like I might have a need that isn't currently being filled. I don't want to be a "poser" with a bunch of nice equipment. I want to fly my helis well. I'm making progress, but I have a long way to go.
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05-08-2012, 12:40 PM | #79 (permalink) |
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Mark, my speed TDR uses 2300 rpm, no vibration, no resonance and only 2 bearings on the TT. So that is relative too. I wouldn't go as far as generalizing that the TDR doesn't use more rpm than 1850 because it can't. In "some cases", and go guess what the owner did right or wrong, the thin TT generates a resonance.
Things the owner could have done wrong: - Long TT not filed to correct length (manual mention) - Wrong meshing of crown gear and front TT gear, or wrong meshing of other gears that resonate towards the crown and from there to the back - Unbalanced tail blades - Worn tail bearings - Very slightly bent tail shaft - Worn any other bearing that generates a small vibration that resonates in the boom I'd dare say the thin TT is more prone to vibrating on its own in few cases, and capture many other vibrations in a few others. For most, as in 95% of the pilots, it's not an issue.
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05-08-2012, 12:50 PM | #80 (permalink) |
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Oh, and back on topic: I am seriously considering the Banshee. Can't stop thinking about it since I saw the build video 5 days ago. Titanium and 7075 alu resonate as water mouthing unique luxuries in my head. That thick belt and that huge belt gear are as sexy as helis go. I haven't moved on to the phase where I start investigating how to place an order. I am refraining 100% on purpose. This thread is absolutely wood pecking! When I am in that state of mind it always ends badly for my finances...
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