My B450 to 450 X conversion journey Tarot zyx

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Okay I want to start a thread where i can put out all my info, everything I learned during this conversion, I think having all the info in one spot is much more useful then having a lil bit everywhere. I want to thank Lawndart, Infocus, FireDoug and the others who helped answer my questions before I ever got my stuff to make the switch.

Okay I got my Head and my ZYX unit from CNCHELI I ordered on Friday and got it on Monday, Pretty quick shipping if you ask me.

450 Tarot 450FL Flybarless Rotor Head TL45110-03 black $33.99
http://www.cnchelicopter.com/servlet...barless/Detail

This head comes already mostly assembled but I am telling you you will want to take it apart and oil the bearings, and loc tite everything with Blue loc tit it took me about 15 minutes do do this.

You will also need to get (4) Trex 450 Ball links and replace the balls on your swash plate so the links in the head will fit.
AGNH45048 : 450 PRO LINKAGE BALL SET For T-REX 450 PRO
http://www.wowhobbies.com/agnh450484...rex450pro.aspx
There enough in the bag to do 3 swash plates and kinda pricey but this is where I found them, Sure you can find them cheaper maybe else were.

just remove the 4 balls from your swash and put blue loc tite on these and install.


Tarot ZYX08 ZYX-S 3 Axis Gyro System $69.99
http://www.cnchelicopter.com/servlet...dsh-S-3/Detail

This is a pretty simple install, Remove your old gyro, replace it with this unit, but before you install it make sure it looks good, read where one guy got one the button was missing and it would not work. Mine looked good from taking it out of the box.

its got from right side to left
3 wire plugs in
Ail plugs into your AIl on the rx
Rud plugs into the rudder on the rx
Channel 1 your left rear servo plugs into here
Channel 2 your right rear servo plugs into here
Channel 3 your from servo (elevator) plugs into here
Channel 4 your rudder plugs into here
Picture added hope it helps

I suggest buying the USB adapter it made it super easy for me to set it up.

TAROT 3 Axis Gyro System ZYX 3-axis Gyro USB Transmission Wire ZYX07 $6.99
http://www.cnchelicopter.com/servlet...is-Gyro/Detail

You will need to go here.http://fbl.net.nz/
and download the software, it is Free.

You will also need to download the Driver for the USB to work on your PC it is called
zyxusbdriver.exe
Can be found on this page here http://fbl.net.nz/info/adapter

After you download it and install on your PC you will want to Plug in the USB adapter then open the program
it says it will assign it a Com port so guessing you must plug it into the same USB port every time, not a biggie I am sure for most just remember in case you plug in and can't get it to work.


You will first want to get your Head completely set up, make sure your sliders on your head are straight with each other you will have to adjust the links from the servos to the swash plate to get these to line up with each other.

Then you want to make sure your main grips are at zero pitch at center stick ( servo and arms are 90 degree to each other.

A very handy trick someone on here gave was to stick screw drivers in the holes where the Blade bolts go, you can then line up the heads of the screwdrivers but also you can line the bottom of them up with the main shaft this was a SUPER easy set up doing it this way.

Here is a short video showing the drivers in the head trick and the servos are at 90 kinda loud background noise sorry, turn down your speakers
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utSPipib2A4[/ame]


Once you have all of the Head set up then you can move on to the set up of everything else.

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Radio set up.


Does not matter what radio your using, DX6I, DX7, DX7S, DX8 whatever it is go ahead and put all subtrims to Zero, put all Travel to 100, Put all your trims on the Tx to center. you want to make sure all this is done before you fire up the unit.

You will want to go into the swash menu and set it to 90 Degree 1 Servo... I know weird but this is how the FBL unit works.

You want to set your Expo to 30% to start with , its what it recommends.

Radio set up video.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5ey4NqcbCk&list=UUlhYL6EyEstKGTIxl6Yc_Ww& index=1&feature=plcp[/ame]

You then if using the USB adapter Plug in the usb to the PC, then start the FBL program, the lights will flash on the screen , turn on the TX then power up the heli,

( Unplug two of your three motor leads to be safe Please we do not want any accidents.)

Hit the connect button on the screen and all three dots will go green.

You then will select the Big blue box you want

Beginner/ F3C / 3d Soft/ hardcore / Extreme

I went with 3d Soft myself and Sure this is what most will want to use.

then go to the Set up and just follow what the page says, I will be posting a video of this and showing just how to go about doing it. I like video's better.

Using the software for zyx fbl (8 min 15 sec)

SERVO SET UP:

They say the Balls on your servo arms should be 12.5 from center of the servo screw for a 450 sized helicopter but most people say they use 10mm , Mine happen to be at 10.40 and seem to work just fine.

Btw you will need a 3 to 6 inch servo extension for the elevator lead to reach


Just a FYI or BTW I ended up having to add a external BEC to my heli, I guess the Tarot unit was pulling to much from the bec in the esc to handle it or something I went with this one here
http://www.dimensionengineering.com/products/sportbec
I have used them for many many years w/o issues, You can find same size BEC's at hobbyking and places much cheaper I just like to go with named brand Equipment in my expensive aircraft's

I am also using HS 65 MG's in my heli and using the stock tail servo for now.

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showing the lights on the unit when batt plugged in what they should do.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUD-yXh6jnA&feature=g-upl[/ame]

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Sorry not the best video was taken with my cell phone laying on the ground, butt this was the maiden hover.
I will be posting other Flight videos here

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xx2zh-J75I[/ame]

Flying at the field this one was out of frame a lil sorry and missed the landing.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FCIdlWms9Q[/ame]

2nd video from today lil better
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RTQZ7Qkgfg[/ame]

[gdawgs56]

Originally Posted by Epoweredrc

Radio set up.

then go to the Set up and just follow what the page says, I will be posting a video of this and showing just how to go about doing it. I like video's better.

THats awesome dude!! it would be awesome if you could make a vid on how to setup using that usb and software!! Nice first hover by the way!

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Originally Posted by gdawgs56

THats awesome dude!! it would be awesome if you could make a vid on how to setup using that usb and software!! Nice first hover by the way!

I did just got to upload it powerjust went out here first time had good rain in months

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[gdawgs56]

oh nice ... how are you using the internet/comp?? Can you post that vid in this trhead too?

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Cell phone i just posted link to it not sure y its now showing as a video maybe i can fix it on pc when power comes bk on

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[gdawgs56]

its showing up just fine for me. Thanks for doing that!!

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Originally Posted by gdawgs56

its showing up just fine for me. Thanks for doing that!!

No problem I want everyone to fully understand how to do the conversion I will be adding more to this later today its ,7am going try get some flight video

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[InFocus]

Looking at the video, is the swash phasing at 90degrees? It looked a bit skewed but its hard to tell, as sometimes cameras play tricks.. If you line one of the blades to be parallel with the boom, the swash balls should be exactly at 12,3,6,9oclock as well. The antirotation pin, and elevator servo mount is a good guide for the 12 and 6oclock position.

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Originally Posted by InFocus

Looking at the video, is the swash phasing at 90degrees? It looked a bit skewed but its hard to tell, as sometimes cameras play tricks.. If you line one of the blades to be parallel with the boom, the swash balls should be exactly at 12,3,6,9oclock as well. The antirotation pin, and elevator servo mount is a good guide for the 12 and 6oclock position.

Not sure i understand the sawsh is level in the software shows you how the swash should be and what channel you should use now are you talking about my close us video of the head?? I had not fully finished it at that time at the field will be posting couple videos this afternoon

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2 real flying videos added to post number 4 hope you guys enjoy

[gdawgs56]

hey, how did you check your high stick and low stick pitch?

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Originally Posted by gdawgs56

hey, how did you check your high stick and low stick pitch?

With my pitch gauge from my old b400 just. Normal pitch gauge guess i could do a video of that lol. Call me video man lol

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[gdawgs56]

what did you use as a referance since the flybar is gone?

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Originally Posted by gdawgs56

what did you use as a referance since the flybar is gone?

Oh ha ha sorry dude i forgot my pitch gauge is modified it has a bobble level glued to the top of it so i set it till its level and in the center

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[gdawgs56]

oh thats smart, is it ok if i use that idea!!

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Originally Posted by gdawgs56

oh thats smart, is it ok if i use that idea!!

its the best thing you can do to one, I do not remember if my dad came up with it or not, mine is at home I'm at my folks but here is a pic of my dads

Fair warning, we posted about these yrs ago and some gave us a hard time saying its hard to mount the level flat on the pitch gauge, yeah it might be off .5 of a + or - but its never been a huge issue if your 11.5 so what. or if your 11.... i myself am not that picky.

did you see my flying videos? 2nd one is best.

BTW how you get your username you a GA bulldog fan?

[gdawgs56]

YEAH!!! GO DAWGS!!! (its weird that i like them so much even though i live in AZ )