Sab Goblin New news

[heliaddict2424]

Boy I was not paying much attention about the made in Asia thing but now that I know I think I may ask for my money back. I agree if its made there fine just be honest about it I think I am over the Goblin I am not sure what other 700 to get but I will be looking.

[jhheli]

NEW NEWS on goblin website

[OnTheSnap]

Originally Posted by heliaddict2424

Boy I was not paying much attention about the made in Asia thing but now that I know I think I may ask for my money back. I agree if its made there fine just be honest about it I think I am over the Goblin I am not sure what other 700 to get but I will be looking.

[rant]
Better stop using that iPhone, laptop, car, Futaba radio and the Internet while you're at it then. In this global economy every company has to be competitive at volume our die. Every Apple, Cisco, yadda yadda product is pretty much manufactured in Asia. Giant mfg plants like Foxconn provide on campus cities where people live their lives making all the gadgets we buy at Frys and Best Buy. If you're going anti-Asia why stop with Helicopters? Only way out is to go Omnish and off the grid.

"Designed in Cupertino made in China" is proudly badged on every Apple product. Designed in Italy mfg in wherever works for me.

If it were all made in Italy, would you complain about double the kit price or double the price for spare parts? It wouldn't be competitive. And the model would just die or at best become a niche novelty.

I get it though. We pay special attention to the things with which we associate our very own identity. Like our Helicopters and cars. Then ignore where the $2000 of "other stuff" that we load into the model is made. 1/4 - 2/3 of the cost of all your Heli's was likely made in China. Yet it may not look that way with its German airframe. Human psychology is an interesting topic.

[/rant]

[alexvan]

In Italy we have a really serious economic crisis: there are a lot of unemployed people and a large area of country underdeveloped. The canopy has a list price of 95$. I have a lot of difficulty on convincing myself that at this list price isn't possible to start a local production in Italy.

[felborn]

We have been getting first shipment of Canomod canopies from Asia and are putting them into kits. We will start shipping within Italy soon. More Canomod canopies are on the way. Need to wait for them to finish all after Chinese New Year. For better logistic, shipment to most American and Asian countries, we will ship our parts to Canomod to package and ship the kits to everywhere else from there so we do not have to import stuffs into Italy which may drive the cost of the kit up unnecessarily

Straight from the SAB forums, seems the holidays are delaying shipping of canopyes

[OnTheSnap]

Originally Posted by alexvan

In Italy we have a really serious economic crisis: there are a lot of unemployed people and a large area of country underdeveloped. The canopy has a list price of 95$. I have a lot of difficulty on convincing myself that at this list price isn't possible to start a local production in Italy.

For every Goblin sold, doesn't SAB get a huge chunk of the profit? Irrespective of component sourcing, every Goblin sold pumps $$ into SAB which is then dispersed into the Italian economy.

If the $95 Canopy has a 70% profit margin with Canomod, and a 40% margin with an Italian local then less money goes to SAB but as a sacrifice for SAB they helped a local. Do this across the board now SAB is not very successful, the Italian company may go out of business. Interesting dilemma. Make SAB successful their company grows, creating jobs in Italy and we see a Goblin 2. Businesses have tough financial decisions to make that are not always black and white.

But we're way off topic. Just place your vote with your hard earned $$.

[trapid1]

we will ship our parts to Canomod to package and ship the kits to everywhere else from there so we do not have to import stuffs into Italy which may drive the cost of the kit up
unnecessarily

this is from sab and sounds like bullshit

[Mystic3D]

Originally Posted by trapid1

we will ship our parts to Canomod to package and ship the kits to everywhere else from there so we do not have to import stuffs into Italy which may drive the cost of the kit up
unnecessarily

this is from sab and sounds like bullshit

Not really, maybe our italian friend can elaborate, but Italy/France are heaviliy burdened by Taxes, in this case Import/Export Taxes can drive up the cost significantly. We bitch about 30%, they are 42% Max Tax Rate plus 20% VAT(Import/Export)

[alexvan]

Originally Posted by Mystic3D

Not really, maybe our italian friend can elaborate, but Italy/France are heaviliy burdened by Taxes, in this case Import/Export Taxes can drive up the cost significantly. We bitch about 30%, they are 42% Max Tax Rate plus 20% VAT(Import/Export)

I don't know anything about import/export taxes. But I can say that in Italy the tax laws are very flexible...

[el guapo]

Originally Posted by Mystic3D

Taxes

smart.

[Fabien]

Hi,
If you have a business in Europe, and have to import the canopies (large part) and put itin a big kit carton and then ship back to Asia or ship to Usa, the volumic weight invoiced by the freight company, assuming you are a bit late and won t take the risk for a seashipment, would be very high. Asia /Usa to Europe shipping is cheap, but Europe to Asia or Usa is insane price.
So a good business management and logic would pack up the mechanical parts in bulk with the boxes still in flat mode (not deployed) and ship it out for spreading from the cheapest shipping point possible for Usa and Asian territories.
Iconfirm that in Europe taxes are high, but this is not the major problem. Importing your own canopies in some ways, then to ship them out again, you have to make a profit on it (basic rule of a company on a legal point of view) and handle the shipping back.VAT is no object because its import so you only advance the VAT and get it back on the next quarter.
Sending the smallest parts willgive a better ratio of volumic weight (size of the parcel compared to weight) and will send lot of money and lot of time. So it seems to be a very logical good move and it will speed up the deliveries also.

[SynergyAero]

As I pour over all this discussion of European economics, import/export taxes, volumetric weights, international shipping Logistics, etc., one thing becomes perfectly clear...

We all need our Goblins!!

We're all just looking for anything even remotely Goblin-related to talk about!!

[OnTheSnap]

Originally Posted by SynergyAero

As I pour over all this discussion of European economics, import/export taxes, volumetric weights, international shipping Logistics, etc., one thing becomes perfectly clear...

We all need our Goblins!!

We're all just looking for anything even remotely Goblin-related to talk about!!

+1. I've never had the level of anticipation I have for my Goblin!

[alexvan]

Originally Posted by SynergyAero

We all need our Goblins!!

I really agree with you!

[Fabien]

I need mine also .....

[McCollister911]

How ab the all up weight of the barebones kit itself? Has anyone seen a figure? I saw another post that said SAB would build one a show a pic of it on the scale. As far as my electronics go they r all here and weigh almost 3kg together. Ouch!! This is with all connectors soldered including some braided wrap for protection

Goblins weight breakdown

Scorpion 4525. * * * * * * * * * * *500gr
* * * * * * (Xera 4530 add 50gr)
JR8717HV x3. * * * * * * * * * * * 250gr
Torq 9188. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 70gr
Castle Ice2 160HV. * * * * ** * *250gr
SK720 w/power bus. * * * * * * 65gr
Satellites x2. * * * * * * * * * * * *10gr
Rx battery. * * * * * * * * * * * * * *100gr*
Flight packs x2. * * * * * * * * * 1500gr*
Heli
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Total=2745gr

[jhheli]

Sab has added 3 new photos to there facebook page, everything packaged up and then picks of them in the box, the description say ready for shipment from Italy warehouse.

[alexvan]

The final kit seems really far from being ready for shipping. In Italy there are rumors that the first kits will be shipped within two weeks.

[jhheli]

I don't understand why ? the parts are packaged and in the box, and it looks like they have enough canopies but why wouldn't they be ready, in the description it says off to the right ready for shipment ? I thought they showed the process of the kits getting boxed up, whats left.

[alexvan]

Probably they still have to put all the prepackaged parts in the kit box. I agree with you that it isn't a long task. But they have to assembly and check a lot of kits.