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05-18-2010, 11:24 AM | #1 (permalink) |
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Co-Pilot II - How To, Made Simple!
The following has been repeated more times than I can remember...
So to make life easy .........here it is in plain simple English Once you have your helicopter assembled and test flown and with it trimmed and good for flight. Here are the steps to install the Co-Pilot II on to your helicopter 1) Depending on the size class helicopter you are installing on....you may or may not need servo extensions to complete the install. ********Please pay attention to the distances between the sensors and avionics computer and if required, purchase the correct length extensions******* . 2) Mounting the main sensor on to ( but not necessarily the only location) the boom. Typically with the output lead facing towards the boom block and secure it firmly using the included mounting supplies that come with the Co-Pilot II. Typical Main Sensor mounting on a 450 class... Main sensor mounting on 600 class (non-boom mounted).... Main sensor mounting on 650 Stretch (non-boom mounted).... Main sensor mount 700LE... 3) Locate the vertical sensor ( if you are using it) so that it has a clear view of the sky and ground. Take note of the direction arrow 4) Find a convenient location for the IRNet router on the helicopter and secure it. Now that wasn't too painful I hope .... Ok Now for the part that seems to send shivers down the spines of mortal men To hook up the Co-Pilot II Avionics computer. A couple of things to make note of..so pay attention... A) You will note one end of the computer has 5 lead outputs labeled RCV 1,2,3,4 and On/Off and the other end has plug in ports labeled SVO1,2,3,4 ,MAIN ,VERT, IRNET, ACCY. Any and all plug in connections into the Co-Pilot II Avionic computer will have the negative (black wire) facing upwards to the label of the computer. B) Unless you have some extreme setup, the lead lengths out of the avionic computer should be enough, if not you may need to add extensions, but I have never found the need to do so. Now on to the blood chilling task 1) You want to remove ANY one of the 3 cyclic servo leads from your receiver and plug it into SVO1 of the CPII computer. 2) Now find the lead output of the computer marked RCV1..got it? good! ..Now you want to insert it in to the slot where you removed the servo lead from your receiver . Take note of the polarity of your receiver ( which is... negative..top or bottom) 3) Repeat the previous steps for the second of the cyclic servo's, but using SVO2 and RCV2 4) Repeat again for the third cyclic servo, But using SVO3 and RCV3 This now completes the cyclic hook up of the Co-Pilot II..(Has your mere mortal body stop quivering ) Now install the main sensor lead into the marked slot of the avionic computer and do the same for the vertical sensor and IRNet module. TAKE NOTE THAT YOU ARE PLUGGING INTO THE CORRECT SLOT PLEASE!! ALSO REMEMBER NEGATIVE (BLACK WIRE) IS UP>>TOWARDS THE LABEL Now if you have a 6 channel receiver and would like the option of turning the CPII On and Off here's how you do it .. 1) Locate your gyro gain lead (single wire out of your gyro) on your receiver( should be the gear port of your receiver) and remove it. 2) Insert the gain lead into SVO4 slot of the CPII computer ( the wire should be at the bottom when plugging in. 3) Find the On/Off lead out of the CPII computer and plug that back into the port you removed the gain lead from the receiver Now you need to go into your radio and change the gear/gyro setup..for DX6i set gear to gear and set the end points to +100% / - 100% , I believe this is actually 100 and 0 ...haven't played with a DX6i fora long time Now the GEAR switch will turn the CPII on and off once programmed in quick setup, and you will also set your gain through the 4th channel of the CPII, this will be during the Quick setup..and the gain you input is 'ACTUAL" gain somewhere between 25%- 37% is a good range to work in, this can be adjusted in the preferences menu, scroll through till you get to gyro . Now your all wondering ..."what about the last lead marked RCV4????" .. Well I'm glad you asked...DO NOTHING WITH IT!!! on a 3 servo cyclic. tie it up nice and neat and forget about it. That's it folks if this was done right..all you need to do is quick setup with the programmer and you are done!!! :dance One other note worthy item.. During setup, when asked to move your flight control stick, try to do this within a second or 2 too slow of a response and the CPII will not get an correct reading of the max travel of your radio. A note about overall gain ..... Originally Posted by Joey.S Hi Guys, I have the cp2 installed on a pg gasser with a x9303 radio. I have the 3 position switch setup to work with the cp2. What i'm trying to do is set switch pos 2 and 3 on the switch to have different gains for the cp2 but i can not seem to do it. When i programe the cp2 it sees the 3 switch positions as i move the switch but it says (100% - Level flight). I would like to change the 100% so i have different gains. What i'm i missing here??? BTW inverted is switched off. Thanks Joe Hi, It can be done be changing your end point adjustment for the switch or knob you are using to control CPII on/off. Use the hand help programmer when doing this and you can watch the % change when you raise or lower the end point adjustment. For anyone who will need a video reference ...... [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNyE2Ezlbts[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Sp34VHlkI[/ame] And to cover all the bases here's a FAQ section... CO-PILOT II FLIGHT STABILIZATION SYSTEM Weather Calibration Advice A suggestion, if you are getting a bad weather calibration during preflight check, instead of setting the aircraft on the ground where the vertical sensor only sees a very small area of the ground, hold the aircraft 3 or 4 feet off the ground and at an angel, approximately 30 degrees or less to the horizon. This allows the vertical sensor to see a much larger sampling of the earth. Note the temperature difference at this attitude. You may see an increase earth/sky temperature differential. I find that anytime the temperature differential is 8 degrees or more, CoPilot II works 100%.I'm using Windows 7 Pro 64-bit (or 32-bit). Do I have to have the FUIM2/FUIM3 connected to the USB device before connecting it to my computer? I ask because I keep getting "no driver found for your device." 1) Leave the FUIM2/FUIM3 disconnected from the CPII and from your PC's USB port. 2) Launch the Co-Pilot II application. 3) Click the download USB driver link from the application window. 4) Pick the correct driver from the web page. If your device is FUIM2, use the Driver for Win Vista x32 or x64 bit. If it's the FUIM3, there's only one driver. 5) Follow the on screen instructions. If you have attempted to load the driver before, what might happen is an uninstall first. If you see that the program wants to uninstall the driver, let it. Then go back to the website and install it again. 6) Now launch the CPII application again. 7) Plug the USB end of the interface into your USB port at this time. Win7 should tell you the driver is loaded now. 8) Plug the other end of the cable into the CPII computer's ACCY port and apply power. 9) Click the firmware you wish to install, then choose Update Firmware.What servos do I connect to the avionics computer for flight stabilization? You need to connect the pitch (elevator) and roll (aileron) servos for flight stabilization. For 3D airplane flight modes, you will also need to connect yaw (rudder). For CCPM helicopters, you will also connect collective servo.What is the proper direction to connect servo leads to the avionics computer? All servo leads, including the CP II sensors and IR router, connect with the black (ground) lead towards the CP II label.Do the channels on my receiver match up to the inputs on the avionics computer? No. The servo inputs on the avionics computer are totally independent from the channels on your receiver. Just make sure you connect the servos mentioned in the FAQ "What servos to I connect to the avionics computer for flight stabilization?" above. The order that the servos plug into the avionics computer does not matter. The computer learns the control settings during setup. Just make sure the input numbers match the output numbers; e.g., if you use RCV1 for Elevator, plug the elevator servo into SVO1, etc. Never connect throttle through the CPII avionic computer.Do I have to connect my gyro control to the avionics computer? No. The gyro control (1 wire servo lead normally connected to channel 5) is only connected to the avionics computer when you want to free up a channel.Does it matter which way the vertical sensor is mounted? Yes! The vertical sensor must be mounted with the arrow pointing towards the sky.How do Flight Modes work and how do I set up and use the 3D modes? Basically, how the system can be set up depends on what kind of switches or AUX knobs or sliders you have.What is the difference between Auto Trim and Set Angles menus and what is a good strategy for trimming the model with CPII installed? 1) Auto trim is expressed in degrees. Default value is 6 degrees. If using Auto trim, trim the model out with CPII switched OFF. Then turn CPII ON and re-trim the model again for level flight. When you turn CPII OFF again, trim should not change. If it does, increase the Auto trim value. If it still does not hold same trim with CPII ON vs. OFF, then you will need to either alter the install angle of the main sensor (tilt it slightly), or use set angles to trim CPII.I'm now using the CPII from FMA and I SLOWLY want to take more control and reduce the CPII help until I'm flying like one of the real "bad boys". Do I slowly reduce gain and increase stick priority? (or do I have this reversed)? If you have a proportionaly AUX control, you can set the CPII up so you can vary the sensitivity from the TX. This is not the same thing as reducing the gains. Gain controls the gain of the op amps in the sensors. Higher sensitivity means the servo travel is increased during stabilization (using the gains that are set up using the programmer). This is a common misconception and actually, the results are similar. Either reducing gains or reducing sensitivity will cause a longer recovery time during stabilization. Stick priority also works differently from either Set Gains or adjusting sensitivity. Stick priority lowers the gain of the system as you move the stick further from neutral. A lower percent setting means the gain is turned down less; therefore the pilot feels like he has less control over the model and the CPII has more. Conversely, a higher percentage means the gain is turned down more the further the stick is moved from neutral. This gives the pilot seemingly more control over the aircraft.How does Emergency Recovery (ER) work and should I turn if ON or OFF? When ER is set to ON in Preferences menu, the following will occur:Are the LED's on the IR Router suppose to light up? NoOne of the LED's on the IR router is shorter then the other 3? This is normal. There are 3 LED's for transmitting. These are the tall "blue" domes. There is one IR receiver which is mounted internally on the PCB and sees through the 4th hole in the top of the router case.Can the IRnet programmer be used on another set of a CPII IRnet router? Yes, you only need one programmer if you have multiple systems. We will eventually carry the sensors, avionics computers, and routers to purchase separately.How do I turn the IRNet programer OFF? It turns off by itself. I will proof read this and edit if I missed anything I hope they make this a STICKY!!
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05-18-2010, 11:36 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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Yes please someone sticky this quick ..please... Good job night as always
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05-18-2010, 12:02 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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Thx!
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05-19-2010, 12:54 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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Yes a fantastic job.
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05-19-2010, 02:11 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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Oui trés bon travail, maintenant la suite pour la programmation.
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05-19-2010, 04:35 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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BUMP..completed!!!!
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05-19-2010, 07:28 AM | #7 (permalink) |
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Ok whos the guy to get to stickie this great write up
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05-19-2010, 11:04 AM | #8 (permalink) |
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05-19-2010, 11:09 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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Thank you..Night is a great asset here to all..Once again thanks and keep up the great help night...
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05-19-2010, 07:12 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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05-19-2010, 07:34 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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Thanks Night, What are you gonna do with all your spare time now.
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05-19-2010, 07:38 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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Ask that question out on the forum and see what responses you'll get....
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05-24-2010, 01:55 PM | #14 (permalink) |
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nightflyr:
3) Find the On/Off lead out of the CPII computer and plug that back into the port you removed the gain lead from the receiver "Now you need to go into your radio and change the gear/gyro setup..for DX6i set gear to gear and set the end points to +100% / - 100%" I got the gain wire figured out and plugged in but got confused on the programming on the TX. On the DX6i TX = do you mean to set the following? Gyro Off = 0% Gyro On = 100% Thanks for a great post |
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Should look something like this stock setup...Gear/Gyro you now want Gear/Gear and you to the travel adjustments for gear and set the extreme's to the maximum values allowed.
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No worries, any other question just give a yell
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Hi guys, I'm having a few issues with my CPII that I got the other day. I hope the community can help me figure these out:
I have set up the CPII on my T-rex 600GF as per instructions and pics found here. The main sensor is boom-mounted just in front of the horisontal stabilizer, and the vert sensor sits on the rudder servo, all pretty standard setup. I have set stick priority to 70%, and gyro gain on the CPII to 41%, all other settings are left alone. What I'm noticing is that during spool-up the heli will tilt HEAVILY front and left, even if im on level ground with at least 100 meters to any obstacle/tree on all sides. I'm guessing this has to be trimmed out, but what I don't get is how to do this. From what I have read, I can use either auto trim or set angles to level out the bird. When using auto-trim am I supposed to trim the heli using the trim sliders on my transmitter, or by using CPII programming? If so, I guess this is the way to do it: 1. Make sure heli is properly trimmed before installing the CPII 2. Install, go through quick setup 3. With the CPII installed and switched OFF, trim out any necesarry adjustments using the transmitter trim sliders 4. With the CPII turned ON (Set to LEVEL FLIGHT), re-trim using the transmitter so that trim is equal in OFF and ON (LEVEL FLIGHT) From what I can see, step 4 will be performed whenever flying conditions vary drastically (new flying field, big temp change etc),is this correct? Any pointers appreciated regards, Trond Hindenes Norway |
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Auto trim is expressed in degrees. Default value is 6 degrees. If using Auto trim, trim the model out with CPII switched OFF. Then turn CPII ON and re-trim the model again for level flight. When you turn CPII OFF again, trim should not change. If it does, increase the Auto trim value. If it still does not hold same trim with CPII ON vs. OFF, then you will need to either alter the install angle of the main sensor (tilt it slightly), or use set angles to trim CPII.
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06-01-2010, 10:57 AM | #20 (permalink) |
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Setup trick that works for me
After using the CPII for a few weeks, I decided to go back to default on all the settings to make sure everything was setup correctly.
Part of my redo was to install the horizontal sensor on an old horizontal stabilizer that I cut down to just fit under the sensor. Also moved the sensor a bit forward of the blade strike area. I decided to use two round bubble levels to set the sensor level with the helicopter. First leveled the heli, using the frame near the gyro as a reference point. Then after mounting the sensor on the tail, I used the adjustment capability of the old fin bracket to make the sensor level with the frame. All of my trims on the radio and in the CPII are at zero now. No pitch or roll. I was glad that now everything was set neutral electronically and mechanically, but what I found also is that I have not had to adjust the pitch or roll at all for the various flying sites that I use. I don't think that just setting everything in the middle of its range would have done this, but it sure works for me. It may have more to do with the placement of the sensor, not sure. I just wanted to share an installation setup that works great for me, in case it may help anyone else. Last edited by Woody_99; 06-01-2010 at 12:44 PM.. |
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