Learning Nose/Side-In

[wdhunt]

Over the next week or two, I'd like to improve my hover on the mSR to the point that I can maintain nose in and side in orientations. When folks practice this, do they take off tail in, establish hover and then piro into the practice orientation, or do they take off in the orientation they intend to practice? I know this is a definitely a "finer point", but I'm curious if folks have found a particularly good method for learning this.

[CageyH]

Start off with tail in, until you become comfortable with hovering nose in, and then progress gradually.

[FlyingRadioWaves]

I always started with tail in. Easy confidence builder when you start.
Then patience. It takes awhile. Don't quit.

[Swedishe]

95% of the time, I take off tail in. For me, flying all FBL, taking off in anything but my most confident orientation is risky. I'll piro as soon as I take off to a practice orientation.

[Rimshot]

I'm still learning orientations myself. I always take off in a rear quartering orientation maybe 20*-30* off direct tail in. Even though I don't fly anything bigger than a 300x I don't want to be in line if the tail lets go. Even though side-in is still my weakest orientation I have no problem piroing to tail in during climb out.

[newhelliguy]

Start tail in.

As you rotate the heli left also rotate your body to the left so you see the heli side in but it seems tail in.

Do the same to the right turning heli and body to the right.

As this gets comfortable just rotate your body back to the center.

This makes it easier to feel like you are seated in the heli in these orientations

[ChasCS]

Originally Posted by newhelliguy

Start tail in.

As you rotate the heli left also rotate your body to the left so you see the heli side in but it seems tail in.

Do the same to the right turning heli and body to the right.

As this gets comfortable just rotate your body back to the center.

This makes it easier to feel like you are seated in the heli in these orientations

newheliguy,
Eh, that's some very good info to remember trying.

By the way, just how does that work when flying nose in?

thanks

Chas

[ZeroSkill]

Originally Posted by newhelliguy

Start tail in.

As you rotate the heli left also rotate your body to the left so you see the heli side in but it seems tail in.

Do the same to the right turning heli and body to the right.

As this gets comfortable just rotate your body back to the center.

This makes it easier to feel like you are seated in the heli in these orientations

I'm going to try this tomorrow! Just started to work on side-in hovering today and it hasn't been clicking for me yet...

[newhelliguy]

Nose in is push (bump) the stick the way the heli is traveling.
Eventually you can feel like you are in the heli while nose but it takes time.

As said a thousand times most people (esp me) over correct while learning

[rcav8or]

Originally Posted by newhelliguy

Nose in is push (bump) the stick the way the heli is traveling.
Eventually you can feel like you are in the heli while nose but it takes time.

As said a thousand times most people (esp me) over correct while learning

The "push the stick the way the heli is traveling" is like flying planes - push towards the low wing. But, I'll admit, even after flying planes for 25 years, and able to fly in any position/attitude, I am having trouble getting the heli down, and feeling like I'm "inside the heli". As he said, "it takes time"...oh yeah, and practice, practice, practice. I feel myself getting just a little better, every day.

Perseverance, grasshopper, perseverance!

R

[exhogflyer]

I 've been flying heli's for a year now......so still a beginner. I had flown planes for about 15 years before that, biggest difference I've noticed is that a plane is stable while flying, so even "nose in" it just needs "help" going in some direction. A heli, however, is NEVER really "stable", so always needs help.

[johnsma22]

Originally Posted by newhelliguy

Nose in is push (bump) the stick the way the heli is traveling.

This was the single most important piece of advice that was passed on to me when I was first learning to fly.

[wab223]

OP,
I'v had the tail in and side in hover stable for a couple of months now. Unfortunately I could not bring myself to come fully nose in beyond 8 oclock (left) and 4 o clock (right) with my 450 3d. I tried slowing down piros on my 130x but still could not stop the piro and actually try to hover nose in (too scared). I have real flight but don't like to sim. I eventually decided to learn by taking off with the 450 nose like I learnt tail in. Before I started I mentally pictured making stick corrections on the heli both nose in and tail in. I've managed 10 packs so far and I respond to the heli movements in the correct direction now when nose in. Unfortunately I over compensate and my longest nose in hover is not much over 30 seconds. Another 20 packs such see some improvement.

EDIT: The thing that makes nose in more difficult for me is that the heli is coming towards me. Sure it was coming towards me sometimes when I learnt tail in. But now it really looks like its flying towards me which is a little intimidating.

[facefirst]

Originally Posted by wab223

OP,
The thing that makes nose in more difficult for me is that the heli is coming towards me. Sure it was coming towards me sometimes when I learnt tail in. But now it really looks like its flying towards me which is a little intimidating.

Oh god I know what you mean there - its very intimidating when its pointing at you like that

[rcav8or]

Originally Posted by newhelliguy

Start tail in.

As you rotate the heli left also rotate your body to the left so you see the heli side in but it seems tail in.

Do the same to the right turning heli and body to the right.

As this gets comfortable just rotate your body back to the center.

This makes it easier to feel like you are seated in the heli in these orientations

One comment on that approach - I've flown "planks" for 25 years, taught dozens how to fly. Had another instructor train his students that way - orient themselves to the plane, turn their back to the plane when landing, etc. Many of his students, it became a crutch, and they couldn't fly, unless they were doing it. I wouldn't personally recommend it, as it really isn't the best way, in my opinion, far better to train your brain to respond correctly, than moving your body, to correspond. Just my $.02 worth, based on 25 years experience.
YMMV...

R

[ezas]

Originally Posted by rcav8or

The "push the stick the way the heli is traveling" is like flying planes - push towards the low wing. But, I'll admit, even after flying planes for 25 years, and able to fly in any position/attitude, I am having trouble getting the heli down, and feeling like I'm "inside the heli". As he said, "it takes time"...oh yeah, and practice, practice, practice. I feel myself getting just a little better, every day.

Perseverance, grasshopper, perseverance!

R

This. I'm not a fan of the push under the low wing thing. When I taught people to fly planes I told them to think 'the plane's right', for turning right. I think it is a better/faster transition to reacting instinctively to the orientation of the aircraft. But those are the only two approaches I liked. Maybe because all I flew was slope that I never used the turn the back approach.

I'm also working on side in and my issue is pulling right when I really mean fly backwards toward the right. Flying helis really is a different beast from rc planes.


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