Blade 550X Pro Series

[timdknowlton]

I agree WBFair. It looks like a really nice heli, for Blade. But Align is proven and reliable. What's good about this move is Blade will get more people more involved with RC Helis on a serious level. Cudos for that!!

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by Brian James

I'm not sure how this is contributing to "fun, learning, and mutual respect"??

For the ways you guys do things, could say the same in return, and btw good job on playing the "get the guy who posted things that don't help us sell our stuff in trouble with mods" card.

Not surprised that you have to go there.

[Gogupgo]

Looking at the manual I see above HH really did a great job on it. Easy to follow looks good. I can't wait to see how this fly's plus I can't wait to see if more kit sizes to come. Great job on the Manual.....

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by Gogupgo

Looking at the manual I see above HH really did a great job on it. Easy to follow looks good. I can't wait to see how this fly's plus I can't wait to see if more kit sizes to come. Great job on the Manual.....

Well, mean no lack of "fun, learning, and mutual respect" but you don't fly or possibly get hit in the face by the manual.

Also was briefly looking over it myself and was just wondering if you could point out the page and part to me that explains how to make the adjustments to the ESC...or the BEC for say things like the LVC adjustment?

Or the part that gives me the max amps the ESC and can handle, or the volts level the BEC is?

Also wondering if you could show me the part of what the max the motor will draw and for what under a brief load?

Also was wonder if you tell me the part that tells me what Head Speed the helo is and or at least should be run at and under the various settings of Norm, ST-1, ST-2?

As well was wondering if you could show me where it shows how to even connect up the BEC?

Also a few other small observations, see there is a little box of what servos to hook up to the AR7200, but Aligns manuals have actual nice pictures and diagrams that show the wiring.

Also they include the manuals for all the parts it comes with is details for those for lots of the additional stuff like actually how to mechanically setup the servos and links on the helo in regards to the FBL/AR7200, and other in depth setup stuff for the it, but in this one just says refer to the manual for that.

[Mojappa]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

For the ways you guys do things, could say the same in return, and btw good job on playing the "get the guy who posted things that don't help us sell our stuff in trouble with mods" card.

Not surprised that you have to go there.

Agreed 100%, that's just childish.

[Gogupgo]

WBFAir - I can tell you have a problem with HH, I did not see in the manual either where the settings are on the BEC. That does not mean it will not be in the kit when it comes out. Contact HH and ask them, sure they will give them to you if that is bothering you. Give them a chance to get the bird out a least. Boy everyone is attacking something they have no clue how it will fly. I think it is cool they are coming out with kits give everyone lots of options.

If I listen to everyone that had a problem with the 130X and not judge for myself I would not be enjoying my 300 flight of fun on it.

WOW HH comes out with a new kit and everyone starts ripping them. WTH...

[CousinLarry]

I'm sure whoever buys it will need to spend another $500 in electronics and airframe mods to get it to fly correctly!!

PASS.

[helifred]

Did anyone notice the tick-tocks were not very tight in the video. I saw a lot of spinning moves but not a lot of 'power' moves. I wonder if the motor could be underpowered.

I too welcome the blade pro line. Blade got me hooked. I have several and no other brand yet.

Looking at the two competing combos:

T-REX 550E DFC Combo
Price USD$905.99 without 3GX (list price)
Add in AR7200 BX $240 = $1140 The Blade 550X Pro Kit is $999 and includes AR7200BX.

The price is really really close..

The motor is Align 1220kv vs Blade 1366kv. Is that substantial?

The question is performance and whether there is any design flaws in a v1.0 product. Is it reasonable that the kit should be cheaper, at least initially, to sway people to try it out? And if there are design flaws, how many after market parts will you have to buy to fix them?

[dribbe]

Originally Posted by CousinLarry

I'm sure whoever buys it will need to spend another $500 in electronics and airframe mods to get it to fly correctly!!

PASS.

Please clarify.
What product are you referring to (it) and what is the $500 spent on??

Thanks!
David

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by Gogupgo

WBFAir - I can tell you have a problem with HH, I did not see in the manual either where the settings are on the BEC. That does not mean it will not be in the kit when it comes out. Contact HH and ask them, sure they will give them to you if that is bothering you. Give them a chance to get the bird out a least. Boy everyone is attacking something they have no clue how it will fly. I think it is cool they are coming out with kits give everyone lots of options.

If I listen to everyone that had a problem with the 130X and not judge for myself I would not be enjoying my 300 flight of fun on it.

WOW HH comes out with a new kit and everyone starts ripping them. WTH...

Wouldn't say I have as much of a problem with them but actual and long term experience with them.

And with every one of their things that comes out, see all their guys coming out then and coming to the boards and putting out all kinds of look how great this latest thing we made is, and going through all the build up to get so many to buy it.

Then it comes out and turns out to be a piece of junk and see tons who suffer from it. And also see all those guys too who did all that selling of how great they are and it is...just vanish until the next thing they make comes out.

So after seeing this "always" having been the case and with each time it being said that it wouldn't be, but seeing it has, and for so long and so many times, really just can speak from experience here without really the need for it to be out yet.

[CousinLarry]

I'm referring to the topic of the thread (550X) and I'm talking about the shoddy electronics that people will need to replace (motors, servos, etc) and frame mods people will probably need to do (Like on 300X)

Sorry, you guys just have been going down hill. Every HH product I have owned (Sbach x2, Beast 3D, Edge 540QQ, MCPX, Mig 15, 300X, 400 3d) has had quality issues, fit and finish issues, electronics issues, or a combo of those. Bearings that go bad after 10 flights.. Servos that strip or or lock up, 3n1 boards frying for no reason...

Last was the 300X, I pay almost $400 then I get a bad tail servo that crashes it.. Frame flex beuase the frame is made of rubber, bad bearings in the motor (new owner reported this).. I just think the quality is crap.

Which sucks because I do like your designs, and when they work, they fly well for the most part. The UMX Sbach is one of my favorite planes of all time so don't think I'm busting HH's balls for no reason... I just want quality product when I dish out all that cash.. Not something that I need to do R&D and mod to hell to get it reliable.

rant over.

[OvdP]

And the 130X also flies awesome in the real world!

Was this with a mass Chinees low QC production or a prototype,
because there are a lot of people with several issues out of the box.
Me included.
Still like the heli though, but keeps me thinking mmmhhhhh....
next time...

Grtz.
Olaf

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by dribbe

Please clarify.
What product are you referring to (it) and what is the $500 spent on??

Thanks!
David

I can't peak for CousinLarry and I'm sure you could care less what I think as I'm just one of your customers and also one apparently on your ignore list as I wont play along, but for me the two out three helos I have of yours, the Cx2 and most recently the 130...well can't replace the electronics even if I wanted to, but for all other parts of the helo and in reciprocal to is size and initial cost, that number is right on the money if not well over more so in the parts I have to replace with upgrades.

[helifred]

I agree about the 3-in-1 board frying for no reason on my mcpx.

And also my mcpx bogs and then cuts off the power and my heli falls from the sky for no reason.

[OvdP]

PS
Untangling Christmas lights get me P.. off

[dribbe]

Originally Posted by CousinLarry

I'm referring to the topic of the thread (550X) and I'm talking about the shoddy electronics that people will need to replace (motors, servos, etc) and frame mods people will probably need to do (Like on 300X)

Sorry, you guys just have been going down hill. Every HH product I have owned (Sbach x2, Beast 3D, Edge 540QQ, MCPX, Mig 15, 300X, 400 3d) has had quality issues, fit and finish issues, electronics issues, or a combo of those. Bearings that go bad after 10 flights.. Servos that strip or or lock up, 3n1 boards frying for no reason...

Last was the 300X, I pay almost $400 then I get a bad tail servo that crashes it.. Frame flex beuase the frame is made of rubber, bad bearings in the motor (new owner reported this).. I just think the quality is crap.

Which sucks because I do like your designs, and when they work, they fly well for the most part. The UMX Sbach is one of my favorite planes of all time so don't think I'm busting HH's balls for no reason... I just want quality product when I dish out all that cash.. Not something that I need to do R&D and mod to hell to get it reliable.

rant over.

I am sorry you have had troubles... I hope you contacted support and got good service. (Many of the products you mention are my favorites.)
As my other post notes, the servos, Rx, and motor have been on the market already for some time, and as far as I know have very good reputations. This are very high open stock 'expert' items.
The ESC and BEC are new, and have tested VERY well. HH Support stands behind our products.

The motor is here... available now... made with the highest quality materials. High tier supplier.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...0kv-EFLM60550A

The servos are open stock (call it mid-high end) SPM servos and have been in use for some time. High tier supplier.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...peed-SPMSH6040
Titanium gears!
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...rvo-SPMSH6080G

I am still just struggling to understand which components you feel folks will need to replace for $500.

Best Regards and enjoy,
David

[dribbe]

Originally Posted by OvdP

Was this with a mass Chinees low QC production or a prototype,
because there are a lot of people with several issues out of the box.
Me included.
Still like the heli though, but keeps me thinking mmmhhhhh....
next time...

Grtz.
Olaf

Yes, this was with out of the warehouse production units. I think the majority of customers agree the 130X flies extremely well.. best in class flight characteristics.

Good luck with the lights.

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by dribbe

I am still just struggling to understand which components you feel folks will need to replace for $500.

Best Regards and enjoy,
David

Well isn't all that surprising Dave as you are the guy looking to sell us this the stuff you make, an get us to buy it.

Perhaps if you were the one of the ones who had to suffer through all the things we have had to suffer through with all the stuff you have already sold us in the past....you would understand.

[johnsma22]

Originally Posted by dribbe

I am sorry you have had troubles... I hope you contacted support and got good service. (Many of the products you mention are my favorites.)
As my other post notes, the servos, Rx, and motor have been on the market already for some time, and as far as I know have very good reputations. This are very high open stock 'expert' items.
The ESC and BEC are new, and have tested VERY well. HH Support stands behind our products.

The motor is here... available now... made with the highest quality materials. High tier supplier.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...0kv-EFLM60550A

The servos are open stock (call it mid-high end) SPM servos and have been in use for some time. High tier supplier.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...peed-SPMSH6040
Titanium gears!
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...rvo-SPMSH6080G

I am still just struggling to understand which components you feel folks will need to replace for $500.

Best Regards and enjoy,
David

dribbe, you're wasting your time trying to convince the haters! Just keep improving the product line, as you guys have been doing, and the respect will come, or not! Who cares? Oh, and release a 130x v2 and I'll jump on that bandwagon in a second, lol!

[TomC]

Originally Posted by dribbe

I am still just struggling to understand which components you feel folks will need to replace for $500.

Best Regards and enjoy,
David

For starters, if you want to run gov mode a Kontronik Jive 80 hv will set you back ~$400.

Personally I would not run a 550mm bladed heli on less than 8-10s. So, another $2-300 for a good lower kv motor.

I would like to see the kit offered without the power system (motor, esc, and bec) for ~$400.

Overall, still looks very good imho.

Cheers,
TomC