START HERE |
|
Register | FAQ | PM | Events | Groups | Blogs | Calendar | Mark Forums Read |
Unregistered
|
mCP X Blade Micro CPx Helicopters Information and Help |
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools | Display Modes |
02-11-2011, 06:45 AM | #1 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Feb 2010
|
mcpx or
is it worth getting or would it be better to get a trex 250 it looks pretty fun to fly
|
Sponsored Links | |||
Advertisement |
|
02-11-2011, 06:49 AM | #2 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Nov 2009
|
This is for indoors in smaller areas, the 250 is too big to do more than hover with unless you've got a gym, not to mention the cost difference. Where do you mainly plan to fly?
__________________
THIS IS MY SIGNATURE. THERE ARE MANY LIKE IT BUT THIS ONE IS MINE. |
02-11-2011, 08:19 AM | #3 (permalink) |
|
Please keep in mind that I have never flown either of these, well I have flown the 250 in Phoenix RC but still.
But all in all along with what Mojappa said, the 250 is really meant to be a smaller and cheaper version of a top of the line performance 450 size helo, the TRex 450 and up line. So as such the 250 is a real performance helo, to which while this means it can do it all, that also means, for a lot of factors I won't get into here, that it can be really tough to fly unless you really know what you are doing. Plus as size plays a part in this, as most who fly these types will tell you, the bigger they are, the easier they are to fly. But transversely, the smaller, the harder, which from all that I've herd the 250 is not easy at all. Where as the mCP x, seems to be geared more to the starter and or person who might want to step up from a 120 helo and all in all, is probably going to be really easy to fly, at least in relation to a 250 lets say. And probably way way more cheaper in repairs. So all in all, while it probably can do some performance stuff, it won't be in the Rex250 class, but the trade off is that it will be much easier to fly and resilient an cheaper and easier to fix, so as such, will be a great training tool to learn the transitional stuff that will make it easier to get into such helos at the Rex stuff. |
02-11-2011, 08:32 AM | #4 (permalink) | |
Registered Users
|
Quote:
That said, I've never flown CP either, but I plan on getting the mCPX to learn on. I think a lot of CP newbies are planning to do the same - some will be successful and some won't. The level of success will likely be directly proportional to the level of determination. But if you know how to fly CP already, the mCPX vs. T250 is a matter of nothing more than personal preference - and how fat your wallet happens to be, I imagine. |
|
02-11-2011, 10:43 AM | #5 (permalink) |
Registered Users
|
I think that the unpredictable part here is the mCP's FBL system
The "smaller is harder to fly" rule is generally very true, but the normal laws don't apply with electronic stabilization For example I've read that pilots who have fitted FBL to a TREX250, that they are both more stable yet can be more dynamic That's the intriguing thing about the mCP, we only have Merlin3 comments so far, he suggests that it is more stable than it's size indicates |
02-11-2011, 10:46 AM | #6 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Jan 2010
|
the 250 i have is extremely twitchy (even fairly twitchy FBL!)
i'm definitely getting a mCP X! 250 is NOT a house-flying heli, headspeed could do serious damage/death, the mCP X looks much safer hence the size! |
02-11-2011, 11:17 AM | #7 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Oct 2009
|
T-rex 250 was my first CP heli (still, my first in fact)...
It's not easy to fly, and I've tried bigger helis that are much easier and more confidence inspiring. That said, the addition of a micro beast flybarless system made my little 250 fly "bigger" and it feels much better mannered and the 250 is a great size for me so I don't regret buying it at all. I'm still too scared to go beyond simple flying around with it though (so shiney and lovely and perfectly setup after hours of tinkering!) so the performance of my rex is going to waste really... bit like those guys you see driving high powered sports cars in city traffic . I'm picking up the mCP X when it comes out because I won't care about throwing it around and really learning some stuff on it. From the look of it, it should be as tough as the msr... as long as you hit throttle hold before impact! With the T-rex if you crash, you will almost certainly break something and potentially lots. So, with all that said, the two aren't really comparable... there's certainly no reason why you couldn't have both eventually, so think which you would rather have first. The mCP X is certainly more of a "toy" than the 250, which is a much more serious machine (backed up by my CF blades of death buzzing round at over 4,00rpm!!). |
02-11-2011, 11:46 AM | #8 (permalink) |
Registered Users
|
Just a note - if you frequented other RC forums, you'd know that there are a good number of people that have this heli in their hands already and have all reported the same thing as Merlin.
__________________
Sent from my Telegraph using Morse Code |
02-11-2011, 12:56 PM | #9 (permalink) |
Registered Users
|
That's good to hear, I spend a lot less time on other forums these day, I like that HF divides it's forum by model, most other forums have one huge thread per model........a bit like this thread..doh
|
02-11-2011, 01:14 PM | #10 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Nov 2009
|
Yup, I hate tryin to research anything on RCG cause you get one thread about it and have to sift through 1,300 post to find the handful of useful ones, I don't have that kinda time. Stability is in the eye of the beholder and down to what you are expecting. Everyone said the 4g6 was dreadfully twitchy and hard to fly but that same heli didn't come off that way in my experience with it, it just boils do to experience and expectation. Someone who can fly CP's well might say "Wow this is stable for it's size" where someone else might say "this thing is drifting all over the place, not like the MSR I'm used to" so the same heli would get a totally different review from them. I don't know how often companies give demo helis to inexperienced pilots, maybe they should start though, mix it up for a more accurate impression or at least a few different perspectives from which to form a conclusion about the heli anyway.
__________________
THIS IS MY SIGNATURE. THERE ARE MANY LIKE IT BUT THIS ONE IS MINE. |
02-11-2011, 01:19 PM | #11 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Oct 2010
|
I can bet 10£ that these two will be similar in difficulty (I fly a 250 on daily basis). FBL system is nothing like 45 flybar or other self-stabilization systems and won't fly the heli for you.
Mcpx designer said that heli "is stable.. for a CP heli". I've never flown mcpx, but based on videos and flip rate, I am going to risk saying that people who never flown a CP heli (especially these coming straight from msr and similar self stabilizing ones) are for big reality check I'd get Phoenix, setmodel physical to 100% in model edit on 250 model, no expo, no dr and start practising (for mcpx) 250 require a lot of space to fly, definitely not "living room" heli, it's a good park flyer, can handle reasonable wind. I'd get both and a 600 or larger (for field flying and these 15+ mph wind days) and you've got everything you need.
__________________
TDR/VBar Logo 600SX 12s VBar MSH MINI PROTOS/CGY750 |
02-11-2011, 03:02 PM | #12 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Jan 2010
|
I own and fly a lot of FBL helicopters
From the walkera micro FBL 120 CP's to my 550e FBL, and every size inbetween (literally, 250, 300, 450, etc.). I do not claim to be an expert on FBL programming AT ALL, but from what I do know and understand in working with Skookum during beta testing (Art @ Skookum is a freaking genius) is that in itself, an FBL system in it's most basic form is really just a 3 axis gyro (rate) with a swash plate mixer build in. There are many things you can do electronicly to change how a helicopter flies, simulate paddles, changes the gain varibles in the software, even simulate flybar weights, but they will not offer self leveling without getting VERY sophisticated, much more elaborate than you are going to get in an $80 all-in-one. I fully expect the mCPx to be stable, I fully expect it to fly much like the walkera FBL helicopters, but it will still be a nano CP. No matter what they do with the FBL system, a super tiny CP with such light disk loading will not be a walk in the park to fly. I really think people need to carefully examine thier expectations. If you have never flown a CP helicopter before you are not going to pick up an mCPx and fly it around like you did an mSR, and it WILL break alot more than an mSR when you crash it. AND dispite what you read people speculate on here, both a tamed 250, and a 450 will very likely be much easier to fly, and make better trainers. They will just be more expensive to fix when you crash. That said you sure as hell are not going to fly a 250 around in your house. Carbon 205 blades spinning at 4000 rpm will send you to the emergency room in a big hurry, not to mention plow right though sheetrock, tv's and household pets. A 250 is a park/gym/yard machine.
__________________
550e FBL SK720 450Pro FBL SK720 250SE FBL SK720 +250SE FB 4G6, mCPX, mCPXBL, nCPX, mSR, mCX |
02-11-2011, 03:57 PM | #13 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Oct 2010
|
Well, my speculation was that mcpx will be at best the same difficulty as 250 May be harder as well.
Mcpx head speed will be probably around 3k... flying that into your face like people do with msr is not an option as well.
__________________
TDR/VBar Logo 600SX 12s VBar MSH MINI PROTOS/CGY750 |
02-11-2011, 08:22 PM | #14 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2010
|
i have a trex 450 and a 550 e fbl and love them but am just looking for somthing to just to have some fun with and i got the msr but just not fun anymore and saw the mcpx it looks very cool and fun and i like that its fbl
|
02-11-2011, 08:24 PM | #15 (permalink) |
Registered Users
Join Date: Jul 2006
|
I have no experience with a Trex-250 but I fly a GAUI 200 converted to FBL. To give you guys an idea, I find the FBL GAUI 200 easier to fly than a Mini Titan w/ flybar, and even a super stable Bergen Intrepid Gasser. This is the main reason my two bigger helis got sold.
__________________
GAUI EP-200 V2 FBL, Blade Nano CPX, Blade mCP-X, Hirobo SRB Quark, Blade mSR, Blade mCX |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|