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Superhornet · 02-23-2012, 01:45 AM

Hey Night, I was wondering why you chose to go with an 80A ESC in your big bird as opposed to a 120A with the 5020-450? I've seen people use each, but would like to hear your reasoning behind choosing one over the other.
Also, what kind of safe flight time are you able to get on this setup? (Without the lead of course).

nightflyr · 02-23-2012, 02:00 AM

The reasoning is simple, it works with no issues.
The amp load is well with in the limits of the ESC so why install a larger ESC.

I've changed the gearing so I need to see what flight times can be gotten.

nightflyr · 02-27-2012, 06:17 PM

Been tweaking the 900E in order to go the last stretch to 1000...

The head has been tightened up allowing to drop the HS down to 1000 rpm in order to turn the new main blades that should arrive later this week along with a new HV system for the cyclic

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq2v0GLUvD0[/ame]

pril250 · 02-27-2012, 06:35 PM

The words 'Magnificent Flying Machine' come to mind

CrayonBox · 02-27-2012, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightflyr

Been tweaking the 900E in order to go the last stretch to 1000...

The head has been tightened up allowing to drop the HS down to 1000 rpm in order to turn the new main blades that should arrive later this week along with a new HV system for the cyclic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq2v0GLUvD0

I see the neighbors came home. Do you get on with them

Are you only running a single standard main gear from what I can tell.. Is that going to be strong enough - especially upgrading to 1000mm. I bet the torque is increasing as the scale goes up. Sometimes designers stack the gears for this reason.

Nice work and look forward to the big beast. Is there any end to this innovation (madness).

nightflyr · 02-27-2012, 09:28 PM

I have a set of 700 CNC main gears on order to replace the stock 600 main gear..
Short of ordering a new set of motors, these are the only gears available that will give the correct gear ratio..

Should work out fine, at this size, these machines are super cruisers so the stress will be at a minimum.

nightflyr · 02-29-2012, 08:18 PM

Parts are in.... time to kick it up a notch to 1000..

Luvmyhelis · 03-04-2012, 04:53 AM

I just had a drool complex hit me looking at the 9180. Nice work!

nightflyr · 03-04-2012, 06:59 AM

Cyclic is fitted and set.. a bit of a challenge to fit and configure the geometry for those outrage servos.
All the balls and links have been swapped out for 700 size hardware
130mm tail blades are set, main are fitted.
All that is left is to install the new Rx and HV battery...... Hopefully it will arrive tomorrow

Stumblebee · 03-04-2012, 08:32 PM

I wish you speedy arrivals and the best of luck, Night!

nightflyr · 03-10-2012, 05:31 AM

Disaster plagued Castle East last evening..

The winds had finally calmed so it was time to break out the 1000E for its first test spool up.

It only lasted 47 seconds.......

It began well enough, spool up went smooth, no shakes..
Popped up into a hover about 5 feet off the deck, noticed a slight oscillation due to the gain settings on the FBL.
Then lost most of the cyclic control..
It slammed tail down faster than I could hit TH and hit the ground sideways.

Damage is quite extensive..
On the bench going through the extent of the damage I found the cause of the loss of cyclic control and crash.
The Elevator servo output shaft had sheared off at the case and was only being held together by the servo wheel screw.

Inquires are being made and hopefully answers will be forth coming early next week, concerning the failure and damages.

mhoebrec · 03-10-2012, 06:22 AM

Sorry to hear that Night. In am sure that you will be soon in the air again with your 1000E.

aramb · 03-10-2012, 06:30 AM

Sorry, to hear about the loss, Richard, but knowing you, the rebuild will only be better than the original!

That sucks that all that damage occurred due to the failure of an expensive Outrage servo. I just outfitted my new Fusion50 build with all Outrage HV servos. I guess I had better keep an eye on them!

nightflyr · 03-10-2012, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhoebrec

Sorry to hear that Night. In am sure that you will be soon in the air again with your 1000E.

Started going through my parts bins gathering up what I have on hand to begin repairs, contacted the supplier and hope to hear back early this week concerning the failure and damages

Quote:

Originally Posted by aramb

Sorry, to hear about the loss, Richard, but knowing you, the rebuild will only be better than the original!

You can't venture into unknown territory with out having some trouble along the way.
Fitted up a new main shaft and swash, can't do much until I strip down the machine completely and have replacements on hand.

That sucks that all that damage occurred due to the failure of an expensive Outrage servo. I just outfitted my new Fusion50 build with all Outrage HV servos. I guess I had better keep an eye on them!

pril250 · 03-10-2012, 10:15 AM

Without speech........fast recovery wishes.

Superhornet · 03-10-2012, 10:23 AM

Do you think the servo output shaft may have been defective, or could the stresses from the 1000 blades be that great? My condolences on your loss, I wish you the best on the rebuild.

nightflyr · 03-10-2012, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superhornet

Do you think the servo output shaft may have been defective, or could the stresses from the 1000 blades be that great? My condolences on your loss, I wish you the best on the rebuild.

I'm 99.44% sure that the OUTRAGE servo was defective.. It was only a hover and if it was stress related I would imagine the 2 other servos would have sheared on impact which are outbound mounted.

That along with the fact I did lift a 28lb load lift using ALIGN 610's with no trouble and this was a no load spool up and hover.

The rebuild has begun.. but will take time

nightflyr · 03-10-2012, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pril250

Without speech........fast recovery wishes.

Thx pril,
Gotta crack a few eggs along the way... waiting to hear what the supplier has to say..

The operating table has been open and the tear down and rebuild has started.

Boom was bent, but thankfully the torque tube is not damaged, I guess it paid to make it out of stainless steel

Navigator53 · 03-10-2012, 11:01 AM

Sorry to hear this Rich!

Guess things like this can happen when test pilots venture into the unknown

nightflyr · 03-10-2012, 11:35 AM

Live and learn my friend, but the design does work

and it will fly again

02-23-2012, 01:45 AM	#1681 (permalink)
Superhornet Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2011	Hey Night, I was wondering why you chose to go with an 80A ESC in your big bird as opposed to a 120A with the 5020-450? I've seen people use each, but would like to hear your reasoning behind choosing one over the other. Also, what kind of safe flight time are you able to get on this setup? (Without the lead of course). __________________ When in doubt, easyify & over-simplificate.

02-23-2012, 02:00 AM	#1682 (permalink)
nightflyr Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Long Island, NY	The reasoning is simple, it works with no issues. The amp load is well with in the limits of the ESC so why install a larger ESC. I've changed the gearing so I need to see what flight times can be gotten. __________________ MSR x1 / mCPX x2 / 450 x4 / Chaos600 test bed / Chaos600 Air-Wolf / American WereWolf 800 / KFrame800/900/1000 / Assorted Fixed Wing JR9303 / JR9503 / Futaba10CHP

02-27-2012, 06:17 PM	#1683 (permalink)
nightflyr Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Long Island, NY	The stage is set... Been tweaking the 900E in order to go the last stretch to 1000... The head has been tightened up allowing to drop the HS down to 1000 rpm in order to turn the new main blades that should arrive later this week along with a new HV system for the cyclic [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq2v0GLUvD0[/ame] __________________ MSR x1 / mCPX x2 / 450 x4 / Chaos600 test bed / Chaos600 Air-Wolf / American WereWolf 800 / KFrame800/900/1000 / Assorted Fixed Wing JR9303 / JR9503 / Futaba10CHP

02-27-2012, 06:35 PM	#1684 (permalink)
pril250 Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2008	The words 'Magnificent Flying Machine' come to mind __________________ T-Rex600-ICE100,WR10ABEC,Scorp4025-1100+17T,Kasama head,QUK Swash CNC Tail,G-Force blocks,3152,DS760+BLS251,DX7+AR7000,FM. Blade400-CC ICE50,Scorp2221-8+12T,Sonix Head&Tail,5A BEC,HS65HB,Quark+3500G,AR7000,Align Carbon blades,TRex500 Skids,Flymentor. Last edited by pril250; 02-27-2012 at 09:36 PM..

02-27-2012, 09:28 PM	#1686 (permalink)
nightflyr Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Long Island, NY	I have a set of 700 CNC main gears on order to replace the stock 600 main gear.. Short of ordering a new set of motors, these are the only gears available that will give the correct gear ratio.. Should work out fine, at this size, these machines are super cruisers so the stress will be at a minimum. __________________ MSR x1 / mCPX x2 / 450 x4 / Chaos600 test bed / Chaos600 Air-Wolf / American WereWolf 800 / KFrame800/900/1000 / Assorted Fixed Wing JR9303 / JR9503 / Futaba10CHP

02-29-2012, 08:18 PM	#1687 (permalink)
nightflyr Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Long Island, NY	Parts are in.... time to kick it up a notch to 1000.. __________________ MSR x1 / mCPX x2 / 450 x4 / Chaos600 test bed / Chaos600 Air-Wolf / American WereWolf 800 / KFrame800/900/1000 / Assorted Fixed Wing JR9303 / JR9503 / Futaba10CHP

03-04-2012, 04:53 AM	#1688 (permalink)
Luvmyhelis Registered Users Join Date: Jul 2010	I just had a drool complex hit me looking at the 9180. Nice work! __________________ If it can be done wrong, I will find a way to excel at it.

03-04-2012, 06:59 AM	#1689 (permalink)
nightflyr Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Long Island, NY	Cyclic is fitted and set.. a bit of a challenge to fit and configure the geometry for those outrage servos. All the balls and links have been swapped out for 700 size hardware 130mm tail blades are set, main are fitted. All that is left is to install the new Rx and HV battery...... Hopefully it will arrive tomorrow __________________ MSR x1 / mCPX x2 / 450 x4 / Chaos600 test bed / Chaos600 Air-Wolf / American WereWolf 800 / KFrame800/900/1000 / Assorted Fixed Wing JR9303 / JR9503 / Futaba10CHP

03-04-2012, 08:32 PM	#1690 (permalink)
Stumblebee Registered Users Join Date: Jan 2010	I wish you speedy arrivals and the best of luck, Night! __________________ MQX Quad,Align 550E/NazaH/GPS,Align450 Pro/CPII, Flame Wheel F450 Quad NazaM/GPS/GoPro3, Blade 350 QX/ GoPro3 Never lend money. It causes amnesia.

03-10-2012, 05:31 AM	#1691 (permalink)
nightflyr Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Long Island, NY	Disaster plagued Castle East last evening.. The winds had finally calmed so it was time to break out the 1000E for its first test spool up. It only lasted 47 seconds....... It began well enough, spool up went smooth, no shakes.. Popped up into a hover about 5 feet off the deck, noticed a slight oscillation due to the gain settings on the FBL. Then lost most of the cyclic control.. It slammed tail down faster than I could hit TH and hit the ground sideways. Damage is quite extensive.. On the bench going through the extent of the damage I found the cause of the loss of cyclic control and crash. The Elevator servo output shaft had sheared off at the case and was only being held together by the servo wheel screw. Inquires are being made and hopefully answers will be forth coming early next week, concerning the failure and damages. __________________ MSR x1 / mCPX x2 / 450 x4 / Chaos600 test bed / Chaos600 Air-Wolf / American WereWolf 800 / KFrame800/900/1000 / Assorted Fixed Wing JR9303 / JR9503 / Futaba10CHP

03-10-2012, 06:22 AM	#1692 (permalink)
mhoebrec Registered Users Join Date: May 2009	Sorry to hear that Night. In am sure that you will be soon in the air again with your 1000E.

03-10-2012, 06:30 AM	#1693 (permalink)
aramb Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Dec 2010	Sorry, to hear about the loss, Richard, but knowing you, the rebuild will only be better than the original! That sucks that all that damage occurred due to the failure of an expensive Outrage servo. I just outfitted my new Fusion50 build with all Outrage HV servos. I guess I had better keep an eye on them! __________________ Trex 800e, Trex 600n Futaba 14SG / AMA# 959345 / IRCHA #3954

03-10-2012, 10:15 AM	#1695 (permalink)
pril250 Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2008	Without speech........fast recovery wishes. __________________ T-Rex600-ICE100,WR10ABEC,Scorp4025-1100+17T,Kasama head,QUK Swash CNC Tail,G-Force blocks,3152,DS760+BLS251,DX7+AR7000,FM. Blade400-CC ICE50,Scorp2221-8+12T,Sonix Head&Tail,5A BEC,HS65HB,Quark+3500G,AR7000,Align Carbon blades,TRex500 Skids,Flymentor.

03-10-2012, 10:23 AM	#1696 (permalink)
Superhornet Registered Users Join Date: Feb 2011	Do you think the servo output shaft may have been defective, or could the stresses from the 1000 blades be that great? My condolences on your loss, I wish you the best on the rebuild. __________________ When in doubt, easyify & over-simplificate.

03-10-2012, 11:01 AM	#1699 (permalink)
Navigator53 Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2008	Sorry to hear this Rich! Guess things like this can happen when test pilots venture into the unknown __________________ When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic. ~Benjamin Franklin ~

03-10-2012, 11:35 AM	#1700 (permalink)
nightflyr Registered Users Thread Starter My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Long Island, NY	Live and learn my friend, but the design does work and it will fly again __________________ MSR x1 / mCPX x2 / 450 x4 / Chaos600 test bed / Chaos600 Air-Wolf / American WereWolf 800 / KFrame800/900/1000 / Assorted Fixed Wing JR9303 / JR9503 / Futaba10CHP

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