European DX9 Black Edition - not supporting DSM2

[kenobi36]

My friend bought DX9 Black edition.
He noticed that it does not bind with mSR and older EFlite plane and Orange receiver.
Then he got information from the seller that its not supporting DSM2.

Does any body know if its possible to flash the EU DX9 Black Edition with other older EU DX9 or new US software?

[aerocal]

All DSM based radios sold after 1-15-2015 that are compliant with the new EU standards do not support DSM2. New EU radios are DSMX only. There is no way around that. The only way to currently get a new radio that supports DSM2 is to acquire one outside of the EU region.
All radios in the hands of users before the cutoff date will still have previous protocols grandfathered in. They can still be used. Future AW updates will not change the protocols of grandfathered units.
Be aware though that if a radio is sent in for service it is possible that it will need to be made compliant with the new standards before it is returned to a user.
This is not completely clear to me. Make sure you check with the service center in your region for a clear determination of how this new compliance scheme is implemented.

The only way that a radio can have its region settings changed is a trip to a service center. It can only be changed to US region if it is being shipped to a user in US or other North American or non-EU region. It cannot be returned to an EU region with other than EU settings.

[Four Stroker]

aerocal,

Are the US DSMX transmitters (in DSMX mode) the same as the EU transmitters ? I am surprised that the EU and US transmitters are not identical but I guess backward compatibility is a big selling point.

I wonder what other brands are going to do ? They have the same backward compatibility problems.

[aerocal]

US Txs are not affected by the new EU standards. The US standards are different than the EU. New radios purchased and used in the US region will retain the DSM2 protocol for use.
US and EU radios have been different for quite a few years already.One major difference is that we are allowed slightly higher maximum output power in the US.

Im not sure how other brands are implementing the new EU standards or how it effects compatibility.

[aerocal]

Well...Im in the US so Im not as up on the new EU standard like I probably should be.
Looking at the UK site it looks like DSM2 is still supported in the new radios. I read through a pile of info about the 2015 EU standards and it seemed to indicate that DSM2 would not be compliant but I guess for now I was mistaken.
Im sure if it actually wasnt there would be an official statement from Horizon UK but I dont see one for now. AFAIK all radios should continue to function with DSM2. If I find out anything more concrete I will surely relay the official info as I see it.

Kenobi
Do you know who your friend bought his new radio from that informed him DSM2 was not supported? Im sure this question will come up again. I hate to see rumors run away. Just curious so we can all be up to date with what is going on.

[Four Stroker]

Well another rumor gets started. Actually DSM2 has never been legal in the EU or Japan over 10 mW. The Japanese came up with DSMJ - now DSMX - and the EU just didn't enforce the law.

We have something similar in the USA. FCC test site engineers inform me that they have never found a single item tested and certified overseas that would actually pass the FCC tests. So you just shop around for an overseas test site and go for it. Bureaucracy doesn't actually work.

There are some grandfathering clauses that allow for current inventory to be sold that does not meet the new standard but presumably met the standard when manufactured.

[kenobi36]

He bougth it from polish distributor.
After he noticed the problem he sent an email to them.
They contacted Horizonhobby and gave such answer regerding the new UE restrictions.
Now they have put information in the product description thats this radio does not support DSM2.

But my question is still active. Can DX9 BkE be flashed with other firmware. Is it the firmware that inhibits the DSM2 protocol or its the hardware.?

[CZorzella]

Originally Posted by kenobi36

But my question is still active. Can DX9 BkE be flashed with other firmware. Is it the firmware that inhibits the DSM2 protocol or its the hardware.?

No.

[helidude71]

Originally Posted by aerocal

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The only way that a radio can have its region settings changed is a trip to a service center. It can only be changed to US region if it is being shipped to a user in US or other North American or non-EU region. It cannot be returned to an EU region with other than EU settings.

Originally Posted by CZorzella

No.

So Yes, it can be done.
But it will not be returned to an EU region.

[kenobi36]

Originally Posted by CZorzella

No.

I'm sure the answer is Yes, only problem is to find a way to do it.

[helidude71]

+1

[kenobi36]

My friend wrote a letter to Horrizon Hobby some time ago and today he received DSMX receivers for the efilte plane, msr and mcpx.
Nice move HorizHobby.

[badbandit]

so can i not use the TM1100 telemetry module with the european DX9?

i am not sure, but the TM1100 seems to be DSM2!?

[Smoggie]

Originally Posted by badbandit

so can i not use the TM1100 telemetry module with the european DX9?

i am not sure, but the TM1100 seems to be DSM2!?

Yes you can use the TM1000, no problem.

[Smoggie]

FWIW.. I have a brand new DX18, new SPM181000EU (Euro) model. Purchased new in the UK on 30th January. I can still select DSM2 in the system setup.

[ragge1]

Originally Posted by Grumpy_Old_Man

FWIW.. I have a brand new DX18, new SPM181000EU (Euro) model. Purchased new in the UK on 30th January. I can still select DSM2 in the system setup.

I believe this applies to tx shipped from HH to there dealer after the 15-1-15 , your dealer had probabbly that tx in stock before the 15th

[AAKEE]

Hi!

The DX9 Black Edition EU-version do not support DSM2 regardless of when it was produced.

Would be nice to "have a look" in the service menu so see what settings you might find there :-)

[muscleflex]

Is this for definite then? BLACK EU DX9 do NOT support DSM2?

I have the original DX9 but someone is wanting to swap his black DX9 for mine and I have said as I like the....well it's something new and different plus I get the case.

I'm slightly worried now because I run DSM2 satellites in my Speed Trex 700.
Will I need to replace my satellites to DSMx then?

Or should I even bother swapping? Apart from the color, I don't think there's anything different on the Black, is there?

[aerocal]

Originally Posted by muscleflex

Is this for definite then? BLACK EU DX9 do NOT support DSM2?

I have the original DX9 but someone is wanting to swap his black DX9 for mine and I have said as I like the....well it's something new and different plus I get the case.

I'm slightly worried now because I run DSM2 satellites in my Speed Trex 700.
Will I need to replace my satellites to DSMx then?

Or should I even bother swapping? Apart from the color, I don't think there's anything different on the Black, is there?

All radios that are EU2015 compliant do not support DSM2. Afaik all the Black DX9 EU region are 2015 compliant. If you have a pre2015 DX9 I would hang on to it unless you have to have the black.
The DX9 and black stealth version both run the exact same same Airware so there is no difference in function.

[muscleflex]

Thank you. I do like to Matt black colour. It's different. Actually I'm not that impressed by the quality of the paint but it's something new and different hence I am thinking of swapping mine for this. Plus the case is nice.

But you're right. Even tho dsmx satellites are cheap 2nd hand, it's an unnecessary expense at the moment. I'll just hang on to mine as I'm happy how my 700 is flying anyway and it might change if I start messing with satellites and settings on the new tx.