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10-27-2015, 12:27 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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Align Throws a Curve Ball-
And releases the Micro Beast Plus with a combo kit. Who saw that coming?
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10-27-2015, 01:55 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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Yeah, i saw that flagged up a week or so back. Seems like they may have given up on developing their own FBL controllers. I think the GPro is/was a decent enough unit but it is critically lacking 'rescue' which seems to be a 'must have' feature on all new FBL controllers these days.
The surprising thing is the microbeast super combo sells at the same price as the Gpro version... Although you would need to spend an extra approx $100 to enable the rescue feature thanks to BeastX's despicable marketing policy, no fault of Align.
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10-31-2015, 08:05 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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I guess I'm out of the loop. Word at the field.. is that Align is going to drop and discontinue the Gpro and pick up the BX. If this is true, I'm guessing Align got tired of FBL systems getting their brand name dirty and tarnished.
The Gpro is awesome.. and I have two. But it surely ain't perfect... and we all know the 3GX had its downs and ups... lol. Downs first... then slowly back ups. I think it'd be cool if Align kept their business in making high quality airframe kits and outsourced electronics. Hello Castle, Hello Futaba and Hello Beast X. I think Align is getting a grasp on the servos finally. So they can just keep making the servos. Here's the problem though. Align is in bed with Futaba... not Spektrum. So will there be a Beast X with Futaba all in one compatibility? |
11-03-2015, 03:20 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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About to pick one up
I am about to pick one of these up. This is my step up from my blade 200srx. Any reason not to, or is there a better deal in the 450 range? I'm getting it for $450. Someone said that Bx is making you pay to unlock recovery mode. But on my 200srx I always crashed before I could reach the switch anyways. any input would be appreciated.
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it doesn't really bother me that align has partnered with BeastX, what bothers me is that align is moving onto quad/drones. Similar to this helifreak forum there are more and more drones ads and it's not just this forum it's other heli forums that are also following suite. RC Helis seems to be slowly diminishing. There's not much of us left.
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11-03-2015, 03:30 PM | #6 (permalink) | |
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If I may. To me, personally, it is not a matter of what is a good deal, but whether you should jump to a 450 size or not. Unless you are really proficient with the 200SRX on Expert mode (no self-leveling) then I would hold off on the 450. They are big, powerful, and much more difficult to fly than a Fixed Pitch with self-level like the 200SRX. Only trying to help, trust me. You may be ok with crashing and paying and repairing, but most people are not. Because that is what will happen unless again you are proficient without any assistance. Before trying a CP helicopter, you should try a sim and a training path like ArchMageAU's excellent one. This way you can minimize the crashes. You have two ways to learn. The long, hard and sometimes boring way which will yield surprising results as you will usually ramp up slower but with a higher degree of proficiency (if you stick to the dedication and discipline) or try to learn by flying, crashing and repairing. It is up to you. This is my opinion because I did the exact same thing. I went from a 200SRX to a 360CFX, then had to scale down to the 230S because I crashed the 360 twice in a short time. And I did not like how much money I ended up spending on a heli on such a short time. My two cents.
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11-03-2015, 04:13 PM | #7 (permalink) | |
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I understand your concern. I've been flying my 200 a while on expert. And don't crash much any more despite what my previous post made it sound like. I also have been on the sim quite a bit we have set up here at school (aviation maintenance school). I can do the basic maneuvers and even some 3d stuff on the sim. I was more or less wondering if the 450L dominator was a good chopper.
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11-03-2015, 05:53 PM | #8 (permalink) | |
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Again same exact experience here. No matter how good you seem to think you are on the sim when you fly for real you have fear of crashing, mechanical variation, wind variation, components variation, etc. As ArchMageAU says don't get too far ahead on the sim than for real. You may be surprised how good you seem to be on the sim and how quick you crash the real Heli. Trust me I can do a lot in the sim. But to the trained eye to ArchMageAU after posting a sim flight video he could tell I was not executing as well. No fear of crashing changes the experience quite a bit. After crashing a CP Heli very quickly after that I can say he was totally right. And I was not trying anything fancy just circuits. To me personally with all these unknowns to you still you should probably stay off a 450 and maybe go a size 300 like an Oxy or maybe even a cheap to repair micro. Yes 450 size is the most common it is sexy and powerful. But fast and expensive to fix. My opinion.
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11-03-2015, 07:23 PM | #9 (permalink) |
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@drzdude, I've got a 450L with the GPRO. I would buy it again in a heartbeat, Love the setup software and procedure. Seems even more intuitive to me than IKON but very similar. Have even considered buying used GPRO's that I see for 50 bucks. I've also got the AR7200BX, and while it fly's just fine, I'd rather do the setup in front of the computer/iphone and be able to "see" all the parameters. I don't know anything about the microbeast though.
The 450L airframe on the other hand, is a bit different story. While its a great performer(at least compared to a 450X), It is reportedly not as durable as something along the lines of the Gaui X3, so if this is your first 450 size heli, and you think that your flying abilities may ultimately end in a few crashes, you may seek out something a bit more forgiving. In a crash on the 450L your looking at at least 100$ in blades, gears, shafts, servos etc. Something with a tail belt might be more forgiving, ie: X3, Mini Protos and others. It seems we are straying a bit from the OP's topic, it might be best if you open up a new thread to get some other thoughts into what Heli might best suit you. |
11-03-2015, 07:38 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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That's to bad about the Gpro it was a really nice system with great software. I only jumped ship because of the VControl the Gpro flew just as good as the Neo to me anyway.
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11-03-2015, 09:04 PM | #11 (permalink) | |
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Thanks for the insight. I agree we are off topic, but if you look at my original question I was asking about the exact product OP was talking about.
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11-03-2015, 11:52 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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I agree. The Gpro is really good. Or was really good?
I flew the Gpro back to back against a full size VBar for a few days now. They are certainly different in the air.. but the Gpro is really awesome. I'd have to say the Gpro even takes off better and feels better at center. Of course its not as fluid and dynamic and the VBar has a more accurate tail. I think the VBar straight up makes you a better pilot by smoothing out transitions for you. Gpro is more raw and real. But they are both a lot of fun to fly. I'd honestly be surprised if Align dumps it. |
11-03-2015, 11:57 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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"I think Align is getting a grasp on the servos finally. So they can just keep making the servos."
Unless something has changed, the Align servos, throughout their product range, are Savox. As far as their including the BeastX, that seems like a very good idea to me. It is a proven FBL unit that is easy to set up, operate, and has no bad habits. I make no comment on the Align FBL units as I never tried one (I had nine BeastX's in service at one point).
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11-04-2015, 12:02 AM | #14 (permalink) |
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The BL 8 series servos are not from Savox. They come on every Align helicopter 550 and up. And boy did Align have some troubles with them at first. Seems like they figured it out now.
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11-04-2015, 12:07 AM | #15 (permalink) | |
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Align dont make servos they just buy them in from elsewhere with their labeling on.
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11-04-2015, 12:10 AM | #16 (permalink) |
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Yea I think they are over spec'ed OMG servos. Perhaps different internals... gearing... maybe motors.
The case, colors and wire housing are identical to OMG servos. I guess if Align changes one thing about them.. they make them. Burt Kammerer changed two things about RJX servos.... and called them BK servos. I know Burt "makes" his servos. But he's already said that they are RJX servos with slight adjustments. |
11-04-2015, 12:42 AM | #17 (permalink) |
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I guess that would depend on how you define 'make'.
Personally if I go to a servo company and ask them to manufacture servos for me with a few details different to their own product i wouldn't claim that i 'made' those servos purely because i had some small say about some details of the servo specification. An analogy.. If you buy a new car, and you chose some optional extras and upgrades, like pain colour, trim and fancy wheels... Can you claim to have 'made' the car yourself?
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11-04-2015, 05:59 AM | #18 (permalink) | |
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A 450 is a good choice. You sound like you're ready for it. I would go for it. |
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This thread is about the BX and 450L. |
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11-04-2015, 11:04 AM | #20 (permalink) |
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So... Vote for your favorite 450 size Heli and favorite FBL unit.
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