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Wodahs · 11-30-2008, 08:17 AM

Hello,

I'm new on this forum. I'm actually running a TREX 450 SE in good standard fly level. I have a lot of 3D fly practice on simulator (Phoenix RC) and now go live. I tested one yesterday no crash but the tail look to not really follow the cap. I was in Head lock mode. So my question is easy what is the best gyro mode to use for 3D fly, normal or head lock?

Thx for your help.

airjawed · 11-30-2008, 08:22 AM

Most people use heading lock.

You might have to look into the setup of the heli in order to get the tail to perform better. A poorly setup heli will not fly as well. This is especially the case with the tail.

Wodahs · 11-30-2008, 08:30 AM

Oky that's help to choose. So I'l go to adjust the gyro gain but my question was regarding the futaba GY401 documentation. You can see that standart recommandation are: normal avcs mode, idl1 avcs mode and idl2 normal mode.

pwoodyp · 11-30-2008, 09:57 AM

For 3D most everyone that knows will say fly in Heading Hold (HH) and even if not into 3D those same are still going to say fly in HH. The only time, and WITHOUT getting into the "Setting-Up in HH or RATE MODE DEBATE" the only time they would use "Rate (Normal) Mode" is to set up for zero rotation in the hover. That being said it's my understanding the only people that like to fly in Rate Mode are those who are into Scale. It's said the helicopter fly's a little more realistic or fly's like a full scale helicopter would, for everyone else it's all done in HH (AVCS Mode). Myself being new to Rc Heli's my description maybe just a little on the simplistic but certainly it saying more than the "hieroglyphics" that Futaba would call good documentation

02deuce · 11-30-2008, 10:37 AM

You might want to try the Finless Video on setting up the 401,
http://video.helifreak.com/?subpath=...gyro_setup.wmv

Wodahs · 12-01-2008, 04:06 AM

Thanks a lot for all your recommandation. Will try all your recommendation and choose the best for me. I have tried some without AVCS mode and it's look fine also. Please I think all of you are runing in mode2 but I run in mode1 that's could be a difference. Which figure need avcs mode and why you suppose it can't be done in normal mode.

skunkworx · 12-01-2008, 10:19 AM

Do you mean normal/idle1/idle2 switch settings? There are only two modes for the gyro, but three for the flight modes (on most radios). To me, it sounds like you have your idle up switch set to different gyro settings for each position. Your best bet is to use nothing but HH on all three modes until you have an excellent handle on the tail. Once you get pretty profficient, then switch to 'normal' or RATE mode and fly for smoothness (if you're into that stuff). HH will hold the tail pretty solid if you have your mechanical and gain values set right. However, most people prefer the HH's "Set it and forget it!" capabilities.

Wodahs · 12-01-2008, 02:26 PM

Well I mean mode1 on the transmiter that mean I don't have all the cyclic on one stick but need to move the both stick to control the cyclic. I think mode2 could be easier for some combination.

11-30-2008, 08:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
Wodahs Registered Users Join Date: Nov 2008	Best gyro mode for 3D Fly Hello, I'm new on this forum. I'm actually running a TREX 450 SE in good standard fly level. I have a lot of 3D fly practice on simulator (Phoenix RC) and now go live. I tested one yesterday no crash but the tail look to not really follow the cap. I was in Head lock mode. So my question is easy what is the best gyro mode to use for 3D fly, normal or head lock? Thx for your help.

11-30-2008, 08:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
airjawed Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2008	Most people use heading lock. You might have to look into the setup of the heli in order to get the tail to perform better. A poorly setup heli will not fly as well. This is especially the case with the tail. __________________ Trex 450 Pro 3xDS410M + MKS8910A+, Align FBL head w/Microbeast, CC 45 Gov@ 3400rpm(max timing, outrunner mode), Scorpion 2221-8 on 14t, Edge FBL main and tail, CF boom, CC BEC @ 6V

11-30-2008, 10:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
02deuce Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2008	You might want to try the Finless Video on setting up the 401, http://video.helifreak.com/?subpath=...gyro_setup.wmv __________________ Trex 700N, 700E, 600E, 500E all Vbar 5.2 Pro FBL Dji F550 WKM Data Link 900MHZ DJI F450 Naza/GPS FPV 5.8 vtx TBS Disco w Core Naza GPS FPV 1.2 vtx MT Tiger motors

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11-30-2008, 08:30 AM	#3 (permalink)
Wodahs Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Nov 2008	Oky that's help to choose. So I'l go to adjust the gyro gain but my question was regarding the futaba GY401 documentation. You can see that standart recommandation are: normal avcs mode, idl1 avcs mode and idl2 normal mode.

11-30-2008, 09:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
pwoodyp My HF Map location Join Date: Mar 2008	For 3D most everyone that knows will say fly in Heading Hold (HH) and even if not into 3D those same are still going to say fly in HH. The only time, and WITHOUT getting into the "Setting-Up in HH or RATE MODE DEBATE" the only time they would use "Rate (Normal) Mode" is to set up for zero rotation in the hover. That being said it's my understanding the only people that like to fly in Rate Mode are those who are into Scale. It's said the helicopter fly's a little more realistic or fly's like a full scale helicopter would, for everyone else it's all done in HH (AVCS Mode). Myself being new to Rc Heli's my description maybe just a little on the simplistic but certainly it saying more than the "hieroglyphics" that Futaba would call good documentation

12-01-2008, 04:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
Wodahs Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Nov 2008	Thanks a lot for all your recommandation. Will try all your recommendation and choose the best for me. I have tried some without AVCS mode and it's look fine also. Please I think all of you are runing in mode2 but I run in mode1 that's could be a difference. Which figure need avcs mode and why you suppose it can't be done in normal mode.

12-01-2008, 10:19 AM	#7 (permalink)
skunkworx Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: Jan 2007	Do you mean normal/idle1/idle2 switch settings? There are only two modes for the gyro, but three for the flight modes (on most radios). To me, it sounds like you have your idle up switch set to different gyro settings for each position. Your best bet is to use nothing but HH on all three modes until you have an excellent handle on the tail. Once you get pretty profficient, then switch to 'normal' or RATE mode and fly for smoothness (if you're into that stuff). HH will hold the tail pretty solid if you have your mechanical and gain values set right. However, most people prefer the HH's "Set it and forget it!" capabilities.

12-01-2008, 02:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
Wodahs Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Nov 2008	Well I mean mode1 on the transmiter that mean I don't have all the cyclic on one stick but need to move the both stick to control the cyclic. I think mode2 could be easier for some combination.

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