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Old 04-24-2011, 11:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello,

I am having issues with my Outrage Velocity 50...

I recently set up my helicopter to be flybarless - that part seems to be working fine.

However, the tail upgrade does not seem to be working correctly. What should I do to properly configure and set it up? Is there a Finless video on this? One friend told me I may need to use some sort of mix on my radio.

I am hoping to get this working properly for the next XFC so I can perform the 100% tail in funnel:
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Did you balance the paddles? Perhaps KBDD paddles will be the cure?
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think that as long as everything is mechanically centered, and your linkages in the tailrotor are of equal length, you should be good. Is the tailrotor tracking properly?

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Old 04-24-2011, 11:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Wurger,

I can see one problem right away-shouldn't you have KBDD Paddles on that assembly?
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Well for starters.. the tail rotor flybar paddles must swing upwards into the rotor wash, you have them on backwards.. Hopefully you've removed the gyro at this point, it is not needed anymore. it should look similar to the tail on my 90.. it holds incredibly well.. far better tail stability than when I used electronics.
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I assume you actually installed the blade bolts before spooling up, right?

I seem to recall that particular upgrade requires trailing edge control, not leading edge as shown in your pictures...
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I assume you actually installed the blade bolts before spooling up, right?

I seem to recall that particular upgrade requires trailing edge control, not leading edge as shown in your pictures...
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:03 AM   #8 (permalink)
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well there's ya problem right there.

your paddles are on backwards.

I think you should go with flybarless paddles, they'll work a lot nicer.
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:09 AM   #9 (permalink)
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fly barred tail blades are no longer needed now either.
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:14 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Okay I worked on setting it up a little more... I hope to test it and have it working in the next few days.
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You've still got your bloody paddles on bass-ackwards!
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How do I fix that? I really want to get this working ASAP!
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Man, You are so old school....every body's going flybarless tails now.....
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OK, easy.. You'll need a vice and a big pair of pliers ... (You can substitute a friend with his/her own set of big-ass pliers fo the vice if you don't have one)

Stick one paddle in the vice and clamp it down securely with the TR flybar vertical. Now grab the other paddle with the pliers. Grab the nose of the heli and swing it 180 degrees. Remove the pliers and unclamp the vice. Go fly.
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I think the gain is too high
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I think the gain is too high
with the flybarred tail there is no gain.. or gyro for that matter...
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:27 AM   #17 (permalink)
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OK, easy.. You'll need a vice and a big pair of pliers ... (You can substitute a friend with his/her own set of big-ass pliers fo the vice if you don't have one)

Stick one paddle in the vice and clamp it down securely with the TR flybar vertical. Now grab the other paddle with the pliers. Grab the nose of the heli and swing it 180 degrees. Remove the pliers and unclamp the vice. Go fly.

Thanks! That flipped them over!
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with the flybarred tail there is no gain.. or gyro for that matter...
sounds like there isn't enough gain
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Thanks! That flipped them over!
Better, but you appear to be missing one blade bolt... You could probably get by with a bent paper clip or maybe CA a toothpick or shish-ke-bob skewer in there..
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sounds like there isn't enough gain
He's trying to gain tail control.. is that what you mean?
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