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MarkFlysHelis · 12-06-2009, 08:17 PM

Forgive the title, I couldn't resist.......

I'm curious to the weight on everyones 700E's....

I have the KDE conversion (everything down to the pinion support) and ye' ole heiffer comes in @ a hefty 12.5lbs. Granted, I have the 1920 1Y Neu motor and it has plenty of power, but when you flip the switch to auto her in, THAT'S when you feel her weight.

My set up:
700LE
KDE all around
AR7100
x3-DS610s
Spartan DS760
x1-DS650
NEU 1920
CC110HV
x2-35-45c 5000mAh turnigy's
x1-3700mAh outrage
stock paddles
Align 690D main
FAD mod.1 117T
Revco 11T

Nankin Hobby · 12-06-2009, 10:54 PM

I have the same motor and mine is also 12.5 lbs. In the air it feels like you are flying the simulator its so stable from the added weight but on an auto you can really screw it up if you ever drop headspeed. I would not mind trying the 3800 12s 45C thunderpower cells (should be able to handle the amps fine). Granted you will be stuck with 4-4:30 flights on the 1920 1Y motor but that really isn't all that bad and I think it will shave 15oz. off the pack so nearly one pound in battery weight. Just a thought.

Al Austria · 12-07-2009, 12:51 AM

Mine is 11lbs 8ozs on the dot. Running the following setup:

Standard 700 kit
RJX(?) conversion
Align 690D mains
stock paddles/tail blades
Scorpion HK-4035-400/20t pinion
CC 85HV
2x TP 6S 5000 mAh 45C packs
TP 2S 910 mAh Rx pack
JR DS8717's on cyclic
Inertia 860 gyro/S9256 on tail
Spektrum regulator for the tail servo
AR7600 Rx

strokernos · 12-07-2009, 08:50 AM

My bird weighs in at 12.3lbs. here's my setup:

700LE
KDE all around including pinion support
Futaba Rx R6014HS
CC Pro BEC
DS610s (3x)
Futaba 611
Futaba 9256
Hyperion 4035 500KV
CC110HV
30C 5000mAh Thunder Power's (2x)
stock paddles
Align 690D main
FAD 115T 12.5mm Mod 1
Scorpion 12T Mod1

Mike Fortin · 12-07-2009, 11:04 AM

12lbs. on the Ray Nemovi Conversion!

duke666 · 12-07-2009, 11:12 AM

Hey Mark,

What flight time you getting with that weight and the Turnigy's? 3D I assume?

Duke

KDE Direct · 12-07-2009, 12:07 PM

Hey Mark,

The 1920H adds an extra 0.25 lbs to the setup (over the 1915H) and the best option to get below 12 lbs is to go flybarless. Flybarless removes ~6 oz from the setup, making it easy to get below 12 lbs without having to use sub 5000mAh packs (unless you don't mind giving up flight time

). I'll weigh my current setup when I get home, but I believe it's around 11.7 lbs with Turnigy 30C 5000mAh packs.

MarkFlysHelis · 12-08-2009, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duke666

Hey Mark,

What flight time you getting with that weight and the Turnigy's? 3D I assume?

Duke

4:30-6:00 depending on how I'm flying.

I guess I'll wait until the Align flybarless units come out, then maybe go to a 4500mAh battery set up. Maybe a different frame set as well.....All I know is she has plenty of power, just floats like a rock.

The goal is to have her weigh within a pound of the Nitro to get similar flight characteristics. (rolls, flips, autos)

ADHDJeff · 12-08-2009, 11:20 AM

The 5000mAh 30C Turnigy's weigh 789g each and the 4500mAh Turnigy's weigh 745g each.

If you use two of the 4500's would the 88g weight savings (which is 0.2lbs or 1.6% of a 12lb bird) be appreciable?

ADHDJeff · 12-08-2009, 12:04 PM

BTW, what does a fully-fueled RTF 700 weigh?

Al Austria · 12-08-2009, 01:09 PM

Mark, why not try a smaller Rx pack? 3700 seems a little on the large side. I'm not sure which Outrage pack you have, but the 2S 3700 mAh pack on Helidirect's site is spec'ed at 194 grams. The TP 2S 910 mAh pack I'm running weighs exactly 50 grams which would be a weight savings of just over 5 oz, or over 1/4lb. I can saftely get 3, 4 minute 3D flights with the 910. Just a thought.

rceccleston · 12-08-2009, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkFlysHelis

Forgive the title, I couldn't resist.......

I'm curious to the weight on everyones 700E's....

I have the KDE conversion (everything down to the pinion support) and ye' ole heiffer comes in @ a hefty 12.5lbs. Granted, I have the 1920 1Y Neu motor and it has plenty of power, but when you flip the switch to auto her in, THAT'S when you feel her weight.

My set up:
700LE
KDE all around
AR7100
x3-DS610s
Spartan DS760
x1-DS650
NEU 1920
CC110HV
x2-35-45c 5000mAh turnigy's
x1-3700mAh outrage
stock paddles
Align 690D main
FAD mod.1 117T
Revco 11T

You could loose the receiver pack altogether with the Castle Creations BEC Pro.

Running really well on my 12s T-Rex 600 ESP with DS610 and DS8900G.

MarkFlysHelis · 12-08-2009, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADHDJeff

The 5000mAh 30C Turnigy's weigh 789g each and the 4500mAh Turnigy's weigh 745g each.

If you use two of the 4500's would the 88g weight savings (which is 0.2lbs or 1.6% of a 12lb bird) be appreciable?

You're right, that's not much, But I'm using the 812g 35C turnigy's. Use the 745 4500mAh's and loose134g's (4.7oz) and we're getting somewhere, take off another 6oz. by going flybarless. Another 6oz or so by using a smaller flight pack.....

Going to be a work in progress, I got her on a plan, LOL

ADHDJeff · 12-08-2009, 03:11 PM

I'll be starting my 700E conversion soon and I'm trying to sort out my options for keeping the weight down. There seems to be a religious debate between the "receiver pack crowd" and the "BEC crowd".

Both seem to have pros and cons but one thing is certain--if you ditch the receiver pack, you drop a lot of weight.

I think it was MrMel that was running a Kontronik jive w/ internal BEC and a VBar. That's gotta be a super-light combo. Makes the wallet light too.

MarkFlysHelis · 12-08-2009, 03:39 PM

For whatever reason I wanted to go with a larger Rx pack when I built the heli. I'll be switching to the OutrageXP 2500mAh batteries. (96g with wire) available @ RREmodels.com.

This will save 64g's of weight.

I would never run a BEC and no RX pack, just my preference.

If I had to start over, I wouldn't use the KDE kit. It's made extremely well and looks great, flies great. But It's heavy. You can get the Suzi-Hans kit and the RTF weight is around 9-9.5lbs.

I think the simplest, cheapest conversion out there is from Helihobby.com $50.oo bux will get you the conversion with the motor mount. Light too.....

BobbySmith · 12-08-2009, 08:52 PM

Just got some 2s 1300 hyperions in which are SWEET!!! for rx packs .It is good for about 4 flgihts and very light

MarkFlysHelis · 12-08-2009, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbySmith

Just got some 2s 1300 hyperions in which are SWEET!!! for rx packs .It is good for about 4 flgihts and very light

How much do they weigh ???

ADHDJeff · 12-08-2009, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkFlysHelis

If I had to start over, I wouldn't use the KDE kit. It's made extremely well and looks great, flies great. But It's heavy. You can get the Suzi-Hans kit and the RTF weight is around 9-9.5lbs.

Has anybody run the Suzi-Hans kit with a flybar'd config? I'll go FBL eventually, but won't have the coin to do it initially. Surprisingly, the Suzi kit would be cheaper than the KDE kit and lighter to boot.

rcman · 12-08-2009, 11:27 PM

Suzi-Hans

Suzi-Hans kit
Futaba bls451, bls251
Jazz 80HV
Pyro motor
V-bar,
Spektrum 921 RX
Radax 690's
Align tail blades
Thunder Power 45c 5000's
Total ready to fly weight 9.25lb's

I am in the middle of doing a Suzi-Hans with a flybared setup, I hope I can get it to work. If so I will post it.

David Olsen

BobbySmith · 12-09-2009, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkFlysHelis

How much do they weigh ???

2.6 Ounces

12-06-2009, 08:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
MarkFlysHelis Registered Users Join Date: Jul 2007	How Fat's your girl ? Forgive the title, I couldn't resist....... I'm curious to the weight on everyones 700E's.... I have the KDE conversion (everything down to the pinion support) and ye' ole heiffer comes in @ a hefty 12.5lbs. Granted, I have the 1920 1Y Neu motor and it has plenty of power, but when you flip the switch to auto her in, THAT'S when you feel her weight. My set up: 700LE KDE all around AR7100 x3-DS610s Spartan DS760 x1-DS650 NEU 1920 CC110HV x2-35-45c 5000mAh turnigy's x1-3700mAh outrage stock paddles Align 690D main FAD mod.1 117T Revco 11T __________________ [COLOR=Navy] #FutabaUSA , #XLP, #SpinBlades

12-07-2009, 08:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
strokernos Registered Users Join Date: Jun 2007	My bird weighs in at 12.3lbs. here's my setup: 700LE KDE all around including pinion support Futaba Rx R6014HS CC Pro BEC DS610s (3x) Futaba 611 Futaba 9256 Hyperion 4035 500KV CC110HV 30C 5000mAh Thunder Power's (2x) stock paddles Align 690D main FAD 115T 12.5mm Mod 1 Scorpion 12T Mod1 __________________ Pucker up & keep'em flying!!! Last edited by strokernos; 12-07-2009 at 12:28 PM.. Reason: Forgot the BEC

12-07-2009, 11:12 AM	#6 (permalink)
duke666 Registered Users Join Date: Aug 2008	Hey Mark, What flight time you getting with that weight and the Turnigy's? 3D I assume? Duke __________________ T-REX 600ESP, 12S, SCORPION 4025-630, JIVE 80HV, JR8717, BEAST-X, EDGE FBL LE-603, LE - 95, OUTRAGE LIPO. T-REX450 PRO, 6s. T-REX250, HK2206 - 3900. SCORPION 25A ESC V2, OUTRAGE LIPO.

12-07-2009, 12:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
KDE Direct Registered Users Join Date: May 2006	Hey Mark, The 1920H adds an extra 0.25 lbs to the setup (over the 1915H) and the best option to get below 12 lbs is to go flybarless. Flybarless removes ~6 oz from the setup, making it easy to get below 12 lbs without having to use sub 5000mAh packs (unless you don't mind giving up flight time ). I'll weigh my current setup when I get home, but I believe it's around 11.7 lbs with Turnigy 30C 5000mAh packs. __________________ -- KDE Direct, Inc. --

12-08-2009, 11:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
ADHDJeff Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2008	The 5000mAh 30C Turnigy's weigh 789g each and the 4500mAh Turnigy's weigh 745g each. If you use two of the 4500's would the 88g weight savings (which is 0.2lbs or 1.6% of a 12lb bird) be appreciable? __________________ Attention Deficit Helicopter Disorder http://www.myrclog.com

12-06-2009, 10:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nankin Hobby My HF Map location Join Date: Aug 2006	I have the same motor and mine is also 12.5 lbs. In the air it feels like you are flying the simulator its so stable from the added weight but on an auto you can really screw it up if you ever drop headspeed. I would not mind trying the 3800 12s 45C thunderpower cells (should be able to handle the amps fine). Granted you will be stuck with 4-4:30 flights on the 1920 1Y motor but that really isn't all that bad and I think it will shave 15oz. off the pack so nearly one pound in battery weight. Just a thought.

12-07-2009, 12:51 AM	#3 (permalink)
Al Austria Registered Users Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California	Mine is 11lbs 8ozs on the dot. Running the following setup: Standard 700 kit RJX(?) conversion Align 690D mains stock paddles/tail blades Scorpion HK-4035-400/20t pinion CC 85HV 2x TP 6S 5000 mAh 45C packs TP 2S 910 mAh Rx pack JR DS8717's on cyclic Inertia 860 gyro/S9256 on tail Spektrum regulator for the tail servo AR7600 Rx

12-07-2009, 11:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mike Fortin My HF Map location Join Date: Apr 2004	12lbs. on the Ray Nemovi Conversion!

12-08-2009, 12:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
ADHDJeff Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2008	BTW, what does a fully-fueled RTF 700 weigh? __________________ Attention Deficit Helicopter Disorder http://www.myrclog.com

12-08-2009, 01:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
Al Austria Registered Users Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California	Mark, why not try a smaller Rx pack? 3700 seems a little on the large side. I'm not sure which Outrage pack you have, but the 2S 3700 mAh pack on Helidirect's site is spec'ed at 194 grams. The TP 2S 910 mAh pack I'm running weighs exactly 50 grams which would be a weight savings of just over 5 oz, or over 1/4lb. I can saftely get 3, 4 minute 3D flights with the 910. Just a thought.

12-08-2009, 03:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
ADHDJeff Registered Users My HF Map location Join Date: May 2008	I'll be starting my 700E conversion soon and I'm trying to sort out my options for keeping the weight down. There seems to be a religious debate between the "receiver pack crowd" and the "BEC crowd". Both seem to have pros and cons but one thing is certain--if you ditch the receiver pack, you drop a lot of weight. I think it was MrMel that was running a Kontronik jive w/ internal BEC and a VBar. That's gotta be a super-light combo. Makes the wallet light too. __________________ Attention Deficit Helicopter Disorder http://www.myrclog.com

12-08-2009, 03:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
MarkFlysHelis Registered Users Thread Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	For whatever reason I wanted to go with a larger Rx pack when I built the heli. I'll be switching to the OutrageXP 2500mAh batteries. (96g with wire) available @ RREmodels.com. This will save 64g's of weight. I would never run a BEC and no RX pack, just my preference. If I had to start over, I wouldn't use the KDE kit. It's made extremely well and looks great, flies great. But It's heavy. You can get the Suzi-Hans kit and the RTF weight is around 9-9.5lbs. I think the simplest, cheapest conversion out there is from Helihobby.com $50.oo bux will get you the conversion with the motor mount. Light too..... __________________ [COLOR=Navy] #FutabaUSA , #XLP, #SpinBlades

12-08-2009, 08:52 PM	#16 (permalink)
BobbySmith Join Date: Jan 2008	Just got some 2s 1300 hyperions in which are SWEET!!! for rx packs .It is good for about 4 flgihts and very light

12-08-2009, 11:27 PM	#19 (permalink)
rcman Registered Users Join Date: Apr 2004	Suzi-Hans Suzi-Hans kit Futaba bls451, bls251 Jazz 80HV Pyro motor V-bar, Spektrum 921 RX Radax 690's Align tail blades Thunder Power 45c 5000's Total ready to fly weight 9.25lb's I am in the middle of doing a Suzi-Hans with a flybared setup, I hope I can get it to work. If so I will post it. David Olsen Attached Thumbnails

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