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03-27-2009, 04:58 AM | #21 (permalink) |
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They are still working on things. It is all part of the MAJOR rehab of US airspace. LOTS of committees and lots of meetings.
But the word I hear, is that the FAA doesn't really want to get involved with models, but the issue is trying to write the regs to not allow some operators of UAS to slip through. Commerical use (AP) may still have some regulations.
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03-27-2009, 08:53 AM | #22 (permalink) |
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Thanks,
The wife and I decided that if we didn't have kids now, we wouldn't do it, so my instructing, 135 flying got pushed to the back burner for a couple of years. I was thinking of getting a add on ratting, but I have decided to do RC heli's now, and go get the ratting when my daughter is 2, which is in about a year.
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02-27-2011, 07:33 AM | #23 (permalink) | |
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heres my take on the situation , as ive educated myself quite a bit ... i understand the risks and I am still moving forward with my aerial videography business .... there are all kinds of loop holes for billing a client that can keep you safe ... and thats what i will do until they either crack down or have a set of laws that i can comply with ... until then ... im just going to keep flying , recording video in the air and getting paid to do so .... i just shot some footage for a group of LAPD motorcycle stunt riders .... and they didnt seem to have a problem paying me ... so my 2 cents are .... do what you do ... the laws are still in the works ...and when and if us commercial guys need to get certified we will ... for what im hearing ... its going to be some sort of dumbed down commercial pilots license .... by no means am I encouraging any one to break the laws ... but I however operate safely and have always lived by the rule if your not hurting anyone do it ... now playing devils advocate to my statements ... EVERYONE FLY SAFELY !!!! all its going to take is one idiot on a shoot to fly to close to someone have an error machine and or pilot and kill someone .... yes people ..... anything above a 500 class heli could kill someone in my opinion .... my 450 spun up on me once do to a faulty throttle hold and i needed about 10 stitches .... so its just going to take 1 incident and then all hell will rain down on all of us .....until then ... fly safe , have fun , and if you can make money doing it ... by all means ..... again ... just my 2CENTS |
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03-02-2011, 05:14 PM | #24 (permalink) |
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Except you ARE encouraging people to break the law, by your example of ignoring the regulations or trying to work through loopholes.
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03-02-2011, 06:49 PM | #25 (permalink) | |
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in its simplest terms ... yes I am breaking the law ... but the law is outdated and they are working on revamping it ... until then I think it is safe to say use your own judgement. some laws in my opinion are just plain retarded if you ask me ... such as this one about uav's .... there are others that are equally retarded , in my great state of california did you know this is on the lawbooks - "No vehicle without a driver may exceed 60 miles per hour." or carmel ca - city law "A man can’t go outside while wearing a jacket and pants that do not match." http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/california look up your own state ... its really fun http://www.dumblaws.com/ point being ... this FAA law is very hazy , it also does not account for almost all "commercial aerial business" from what I hear from people who have been doing this longer than I have as well as many other companies , manufacturers and fellow pilots is that a more straight forward law is going to be set forth but has not been enacted yet ... at that time , commercial aerial video pilots might need to take a test and get a sudo license |
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03-02-2011, 07:50 PM | #26 (permalink) | |
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Something I learned from another forum, one discussing gun rights and carrying, that may be useful in this discussion.
Pinecone, you say that what he is doing is breaking the Law. I would ask for a cite, point out the law or regulation that he is breaking. What I'm looking for is the law that states unequivocally that using an R/C Aircraft for taking pictures for hire is illegal. As an example, relating to the gun board, in Michigan it is illegal for a gun to be transported openly in a vehicle, UNLESS you have a CPL. And the cite is, Quote:
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03-24-2011, 09:25 AM | #28 (permalink) | |
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The bad news is, a government agency can change the interpetations of the regulations without any rules changing process.
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Let me know when you do. I'd like to read them and "interpret" them as well.
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03-27-2011, 12:34 PM | #32 (permalink) |
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It is not that thre are regulations making them illegal specifically, it is just that once you get out of the realm of AC 91-57, you have to meet ALL the regulations, just like full scale.
And AC 91-57 is ancient, but it is the only thing we have to exempts us from the full regulations. And since it has never been revised or replaced, it is still in force. And no, no more ACs, just a fully new airspace system that adresses sUAS and other systems that were not known when the last revision of the airspace came about.
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07-04-2011, 02:53 AM | #33 (permalink) |
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I work for a police department, and will be working with the VFD, they had an interesting question....
Has there been any real ruling on SAR UAV's for law enforcement and FD? |
07-04-2011, 09:52 AM | #34 (permalink) |
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There is an avenue for Public entities to obtain a COA. It is a lengthy, typical bureacratic type of paperwork chase, and has requirements that are way above what I think are necessary to fly these aircraft.
The NPRM that we have been waiting for has now been pushed even further back, hopefully to come out in the last quarter of this year, but I'm not holding my breath...
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07-04-2011, 06:44 PM | #35 (permalink) |
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I'll pass it along to the ones asking the question. We where discussing the possibilities of even a simple IR video download for SAR and firefighting with a bird like this, and I think I got some people very interested.
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07-05-2011, 04:59 PM | #36 (permalink) |
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I've got the politicians very interested here for a bird that can do some surveillance, AP, etc. The Civil Aviation Authority would be the next hurdle (but not insurmountable), if I could just get the damned politicians to commit to the pilot project. Even considered owning the thing myself and jobbing it out, but the price-range for what I want is just out of reach at this time.
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07-12-2011, 09:09 PM | #37 (permalink) |
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Ok I don't own A bergan nor do i ever expect to but i do fly Photography rigs and was one day hoping to turn some sort of profit out of it (not in the near future) anyway my 2 cents is the Government would not be where they are today if it was not for the people in this hobby who put the time effert and money into perfecting UAV's (helis and planes). It seems once a civilian develops and makes a working prototype they find a way to take it away regulate it and make us pay to get it bacK!!! Yes you will get your provision but at what cost? will there be flight reviews, tests, and rating's to obtain? of-course there will!!! You will need a medical cert, a rating for yourtype heli and on and on and on! I got out of real avation because of this mess and now it shows it's ugly head again. Yes It is important that the guy hovering over a house shooting a roof should be competent but jeez just straght up make a law without recourse for the guy who was doing this before the government knew it was around makes me sick. Good luck you guy's I love Bergans but way out of my skill level and price range.
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04-09-2012, 12:42 AM | #38 (permalink) |
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Hi, guys,
I'm usually found on other forums but I like to read the Bergen posts once in awhile. I saw this article that you might find interesting: http://arst.ch/t8q Ars Technica is an online news journal that covers a variety of tech topics. Hope this helps the discussion!
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