Will the 2100T be in good?

[drzoidberg]

Hi guys,

I have read many post about the horrible tail issues that are causing everyone grief and just now the post from Bert RE: the updated tail hub.

I have not built my heli yet but am shopping around for electronics. I have read some sparse comments about the 2100T but no real definitive answers. I plan on using the JR DS290 and thought the 2100T would be suitable (because of size). Would the 2100T be a good choice or will it not cut the mustard?

I know the spartan is the gyro of the moment but I cant find any in stock and I dont really want to spend $220 on a gyro for a 250 size heli.

If anyone can comment on the 2100T then I would appreciate it.

Thanks

[unklebuck]

i have a 2100T and a DS290G on my gaui, and it works great. my gain is 70, and the tail holds great.

[drzoidberg]

Thanks for the reply. Not that I dont believe you but are there any other members who are using this gyro and are happy with it?

[asdf1234]

Ive got it on mine, its a bit finicky, but after you get it running well, it works great. im runnin 2100T w/ 3100G. I'd recommend it

[drzoidberg]

What do you mean by finicky? If you are referring to the setup then I can probably deal with that. I just want to know that it will be up to the job (mild 3D, nothing too fancy) and will hold steady.

[Sonic88]

Me too. I want some thoughts on this tooo. I really dont wanna break the bank on a gyro/servo combo on this little guy.

[unklebuck]

http://www.readyheli.com/Logictech_2...o_p/138520.htm

i'm almost positive that the price is a typo on here, but a few guys have used this combo with great sucess on the gaui 200's.

[asdf1234]

post isnt a typo, theyre really cheap but great. As for the performance, i have yet to put it through the basic 3D paces, but on my pitch pumping and fast flight it held decent. Im grounded tho due to main gear..btw, i had a couple teeth stripped ont eh main gear, and that causes a wag on the tail as i later found out (thought the culprit was the gyro) when i get her back up in the air, ill do some stationalry flips, tic tocs, etc and report back. I have heard however that all the Gaui guys run this setup (2100T and 3100G) and love it. Plus it is LIGHT!

[drzoidberg]

Originally Posted by unklebuck

http://www.readyheli.com/Logictech_2...o_p/138520.htm

i'm almost positive that the price is a typo on here, but a few guys have used this combo with great sucess on the gaui 200's.

Did you happen to notice the second review at the bottom of that link? That person didnt seem to happy with the gyro. This is what I mean by spare information. Some people are happy with i and some are not. Its almost 50 50 from my research. Now if it was more like 70 30 then I wouldnt bother asking for peoples opinions, I would just go with the stats. So I amnot entirely convinced that this gyro is for me. Perhaps that reviewer got a dud. Who knows. In the end I will probably get it anyways. I just like to be sure before I buy.

[outerlimits]

I have one on my gaui and wouldn't think twice about getting another. If that helps

Jake

[drzoidberg]

Thanks for the help. I am seriously considering it but am not too sure. I may go with the good old 401.

[mjm0505]

Originally Posted by unklebuck

http://www.readyheli.com/Logictech_2...o_p/138520.htm

i'm almost positive that the price is a typo on here, but a few guys have used this combo with great sucess on the gaui 200's.

It's not a typo, Heliproz in Montana also sells it for that price.

Originally Posted by drzoidberg

Thanks for the help. I am seriously considering it but am not too sure. I may go with the good old 401.

I have used both and when set up correctly, I think the 2100 is just as good if not better IMO with the menu. At nearly a third the weight, I would go with the 2100.

[ferret30]

Originally Posted by drzoidberg

Did you happen to notice the second review at the bottom of that link? That person didnt seem to happy with the gyro. This is what I mean by spare information. Some people are happy with i and some are not. Its almost 50 50 from my research. Now if it was more like 70 30 then I wouldnt bother asking for peoples opinions, I would just go with the stats. So I amnot entirely convinced that this gyro is for me. Perhaps that reviewer got a dud. Who knows. In the end I will probably get it anyways. I just like to be sure before I buy.

I have heard almost all good things about the 2100T, including a very favorable review in RCHeliMag (like 9/10 or something). It is harder to setup than the GY401, but in larger heli setups, people were happier with it than the 401 because of piro rates or something.

I think that reviewer didn't know what he/she was doing, got frustrated and gave up. I don't see how one person could have such a bad problem with something most people are satisfied with unless they didn't know what they were doing or gave up too easily.

[mjm0505]

What gain are you running on your 2100T for HH? I cranked mine up to about 74% gain and still had no wag in HH (87% on the DX7).

[lakespinner2]

I have the little 2100t on my gaui 200 along with a 3154 servo and it does really well; flys backward, etc. The tail might act a tiny bit nervous in fast backward flight but it's never blown out. I had a 401 on it originally but switched to the 2100 to save weight. To me they seem to hold the tail roughly the same on the little gaui 200.

I am happy with it WHEN it is set up carefully. My problem is that I crash a LOT. And when I do the tail case or something often twists or moves just slightly and goofs up the mechanical tail pushrod setup. If I took the 5 minutes to 're-setup' the tail in rate mode for hands off hovering and get everything back to proper alignment then life was good and the tail was as good as before the crash. However, being lazy, I often skipped that tail checking step and would would just hope it didn't move and often the tail holding ability would degrade slightly. After another couple of crashes it would get so bad I'd be forced to set it up again and then it would fly great.

This situation is made worse by the fact that often the gaui 200 can be crashed and after straightening out the blades and dusting it off it can be put right back in the air. I sometimes crash my gaui more in one evening than I do the rest of the fleet in a year. This is especially true if flying indoors on a slick tile floor, the heli just slides on impact with very little damage.

I'm mostly used to futaba and spartan gyros and they don't seem as persnickety about optimum mechanical tail setup; they'll usually fly fine after a minor skirmish with the ground even if something moved a tiny bit, perfect for someone lazy and just wanting to fly.

I suspect that may be why some folks have good results with the 2100 and others don't, it seems to me that the mechanical setup needs to be really close for hands off hovering in rate mode and then it will fly really well. Until something moves.

I've often thought the gaui 200 might need larger tail blades since it seemed to hold better at high headspeeds. I was wrong. I slapped a spartan on it last week and the tail was buttery smooth even at the slower idle up 1 speeds. The nervousness went away and the tail lock was amazing. I was stunned at the difference. I've got spartans on most of my larger birds and I can tell a difference with the spartan on those but usually in just the travelling piro maneuvers, or maneuver, I can only do one or two. But with the itty bitty heli, the difference is obvious in practically EVERY maneuver.

For the first time I could completely ignore the tail and just know it would do what I told it, just like a large heli. For the first time I noticed my head parts were loose and wore out. I hadn't even noticed before. Anyway, that's been my experience with the 2100 and spartan on the g200, I suspect the t-rex 250 will respond similarly as far as tail gyros go. I'm reading every syllable written on here about the 250 and I'll probably have to have one soon.

I guess the bottom line is the 2100t is fine if you don't crash a lot or if you take the time to check it and set it up correctly when you do. I also feel that even us mere mortals (non-pros) can feel the difference between the 2100t and spartan on these tiny helis; probably in the first ten seconds after lifting off the ground. In fact, the spartan is probably more essential to us weekend flyers than it would be for the pros on these little birds. The only downside is the spartan cost and availability, but it will certainly make the flying experience MUCH more pleasurable. Anyway, another (long winded) data point and my $0.02.

[unklebuck]

thanks for your opinions on those gyros lakespinner. great job in explaining it.

[drzoidberg]

Thanks heaps for sharing your experiences with both those gyros. Sounds like those gaui 200 are pretty durable. I was really keen on one of those little machines but when I heard Align was bringing out the 250 I had to hold off just so I could complete the family. (minus the Trex 700, I dont have the funds for that bad boy)

Cheers and thanks again.

[Aberdeen]

I very good results with the 2100T w/ 3100g servos in my Trex 250 and Gaui 200.

[cudaboy_71]

i'm running the 2100/s3154 and it holds great. i had originally run the 401/s3154 and it was typically solid. but, the lure of shaving off 17g was too great.

having zero experience with the gyro, i just ran through finless' setup and copied him frame for frame. except for having to change gyro mode from the one his video uses, i mimicked him setup verbatim.

took a bit more legwork than the 401. but, it was not 'finicky' in the least. my gain is down in the low 30s (JR), and holds great through fast backward flight and high-g tail maneuvers. i like a quick tail and did dial up the endpoint volume to around 115. aside from that, just followed finless to a T.