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Old 01-18-2009, 11:15 PM   #1
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Hi I have a bunch of lipos and am curios if I can charge them faster than say 2.2 amps for a 2200mah battery?
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:27 PM   #2
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No mate, stick to 1C of the batteries Mah rating.

Your spot on, 2.2a is the most that battery will take safely.

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Old 01-18-2009, 11:34 PM   #3
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Some manufacturers claim their packs are able to handle 2C or even 3C charging, but I wouldn't risk it myself.
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Old 01-24-2009, 01:18 AM   #4
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if you do a full charge you wont gain that much time, only the first two thirds of the charge will be at that rate than for the last 1/3 will be a very slow trickle charge...IMO its not worth risking shortening the packs life ( packs are expensive)
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Old 01-24-2009, 02:15 AM   #5
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6 batts? Should set your microwave to maybe 28 seconds. If it is less than 1000W then set it for 45 seconds.
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Old 01-29-2009, 10:14 PM   #6
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FMA Direct has been claiming faster than 1C charge rates with their chargers for some time.

I charge all my packs at 2C (95% charge to 4.17 V / cell) ... some people even charge at 3C. Of course this assumes you have good quality packs and a good quality charger to match.
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:00 AM   #7
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Unless I NEED a battery charged quickly, I always charge at 1C. But I have charged all of my batteries at 2C a couple of times without any problems. But like azjc said, the charge time isn't exactly cut in half.......what would normally take me 60 minutes to charge at 1C took 40 minutes at 2C.
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:13 AM   #8
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If you are going to try charging over 1C, I would only do so while balance charging.
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:16 AM   #9
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If you are going to try charging over 1C, I would only do so while balance charging.
Well, that should go without saying. I charge all my packs at 2C every time. Cellpro10S baby!
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:14 PM   #10
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2C to 3C at all times for me, except with some of my really old tired packs which seldom see use except for set-up of new models.

It goes without saying that this should only be done with a high quality balancing charger - I like the iChargers in that they monitor individual cell voltage and if the integrated balancer is not able to keep up with the high charge rate selected (if a cell risks exceeding 4.20V), then the overall charge rate is reduced until the balancer can keep up.

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Old 02-07-2009, 11:25 PM   #11
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The 1C "safe" charge recommendation is ancient and is based on charging without balancing.
I charge my 8S 3700 and 4200 packs at 10 amps (the max the charger goes) for about 70 cycles now. No problems. IR is still good. Cells barely need balancing, voltage is great.
Even the charger that ships with the mCX charges at almost 3C. I think the old 1C rule is dead, dead, dead.
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Old 02-07-2009, 11:34 PM   #12
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The 1C "safe" charge recommendation is ancient and is based on charging without balancing.
I charge my 8S 3700 and 4200 packs at 10 amps (the max the charger goes) for about 70 cycles now. No problems. IR is still good. Cells barely need balancing, voltage is great.
Even the charger that ships with the mCX charges at almost 3C. I think the old 1C rule is dead, dead, dead.
While I agree, THERE IS NO DATA, to suggest that when using a high performance, computer controlled balance charger that the batteries suffer in ANY way as a function of charge rate. Remember, a state of the art LiPo can sustain a 30C discharge rate and peak of 60C. Asking it to handle a 3 or 4 or even 5C during the charge cycle is not a big request..... UNLESS, you just plug it in and hit it with high amperage via an old fashion charger.

High rate charging MUST be done with computer controlled balance chargers. You should not connect a LiPo to traditional charger and charge above 1C. Computer controlled chargers hit the LiPo pack hard early in the charge cycle then taper off as voltage and thus resistance builds.

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Old 02-08-2009, 04:34 PM   #13
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I agree with enthusiasm.
I do believe there is SOME data supporting our belief, however.
It seems the industry has no official position on the matter, which is somewhat odd, so we are left with comparing small datasets with no standardization. It isn't great info, but it is worth something.
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:55 PM   #14
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I have been using Hyperion chargers and batteries for over a year now. Hyp. says that there chargers and batteries are safe to charge at 2C -- I am a believer ! ! ! If there is a problem with the pack, the charger either lets you know or shuts down. I balance charge every time as is recommended. Next purchase is an EMETER. Watt/volt meter and tach all in one --

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Old 02-16-2009, 08:51 PM   #15
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i change my batteries at 4 amps. my batteries are 2200mah, I use the align rcc-6cx is that a good charger to handle 4 amps?
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Old 02-19-2009, 11:08 PM   #16
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Call me crazy but if a battery can discharge at 25 or 30c, why can't it safely be balance charged at 3 or 4c?

I realize charging and discharging aren't exactly the same thing, but seriously. We've got packs that can supply 50 amps continuously, they must be able to take 4 on a charge!
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Old 02-20-2009, 06:42 AM   #17
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Call me crazy but if a battery can discharge at 25 or 30c, why can't it safely be balance charged at 3 or 4c?

I realize charging and discharging aren't exactly the same thing, but seriously. We've got packs that can supply 50 amps continuously, they must be able to take 4 on a charge!
Unfortunately, that's bad logic based on no facts but wishful thinking.

It's no different than saying "We've got cars that can fall off cliffs, they must be able to fly up to cliffs too!"
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Old 02-20-2009, 08:13 PM   #18
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There are many differences between lipo batteries. When I was evaluating cells and packs from 3 different lipoly manufacturers, I tested various make up of cells from each manufacturer. The differences in ratings, capacities and how they held voltage was amazing, even within the same manufacturer. Think of it as levels of quality.

My belief is that most lipo's can handle a 2C as long as they cells are in balance before you charge. That also means that if they are out of balance, I would not recommend more than 1C rate. If the cells are out of balance after a flight and you did not draw more than 80% of the capacity, that is the problem as more than likely the cells are not matched or have different internal resistance which is causing the flow of power faster in some cells and slower in others. If it comes out slower in a cell, then it goes in slower as well. Knowing the internal resistance of each cell is key.
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Old 02-22-2009, 10:40 PM   #19
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when at the field flying my TP packs (2500 mah) for my 450 get charged at 6.25 amps and it takes about 2 hours to charge 4 packs,fly 2 packs then fly my 600 for a bit, by that time the first 2 are done ,fly the other 2 and start the cycle again,i am carefull with my 500 packs(TP 3300mah) charge those at 2c (6.6amps) my reciever pack for 600(FP 2500mah) only gets charged at 1c, been carging those 450 packs like this for at least a year on the oldest one,it starting to lose power, but its a old pack
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Old 03-19-2009, 09:47 PM   #20
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2c for me as well. zippy 2200 25c, and 3E model 2200 25c. no problems to date.
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